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1. I have lost all confidence in the NRA over this. Bumpstocks are stupid. I have fired them before, you can’t hit jack crap with them. Those folks are lucky in LV that the shooter wasn’t using aimed semi auto fire, the number of kills would have been much higher.
   The real problem here isn’t Bumpstocks, semi auto, or the gun, it was the sick man behind the trigger. Could have killed just as many with a Peterbuilt…better start outlawing semi trucks….

   1. I agree! As a licensed private pilot and airplane owner, Stephen Paddock could have killed MANY MORE than 58 people if he had simply crash-landed (gear-up) a low-wing twin engine plane into the crowd. It would not have taken exceptional skill as a pilot to direct a plane into a crowd of 22,000 people standing in a large field. If he had taken the step of packing a plane with explosives, then the death toll would be even higher.

   2. I agree, Bumpstocks make for inefficient shooting and probably saved a lot of lives. Had he taken his time and aimed, at individuals or groups, for nine minutes, the fatalities would have been much greater.

      Typical government reaction, in their haste to do something, they make killers more efficient.

      We’re probably going to find that a few of the fatalities, and wounded, have no gunshot wounds, but were trampled, or run over by fleeing or responding vehicles. Kind of like Matthew Bracken’s novel with the stadium attack, where the shooter used a few rounds to stampede the crowd, causing hundreds of casualties.

      Evil will always find a way, airliners and box cutters, Kool-Aid and cyanide, cargo trucks, knives, fertilizer explosives, cars, etc… Mass murder is already against the law, but that doesn’t seem to stop these folks…

   3. Agree that bumpstocks are worthless. Stupid novelty items that render proper shooting technique impossible. I’m generally of the opinion that those utilizing them are braggarts, mall ninjas, and fanboys. That said, it’s not the .govs right to tell braggarts, mall ninjas, and fanboys how to (ineffectively) defend themselves. They’ve proven time and time again what happens when you give them an inch…..

   4. If you look at how long he was firing and the number killed he could have done far higher numbers with a bolt action or even a single shot like a Ruger No 1.

2. I think the NRA would give all member’s names over to the government if asked to do so. Not a member.

3. The NRA has to support gun control.
   If we did away with all the egregious gun regulations, they would be a redundant operation.

4. My right to defend myself is not NRA-given, government-given; it is God-given. What God has given, man cannot take away. The Las Vegas shooter was not acting in self-defense, he was an attacker. In the hysteria to prevent attackers, gun control proposals only affect those who act in self-defense.

   1. Amen

5. The NRA is a pragmatic political organization that will not stand firm on the 2nd Amendment if caving in a smidge at a time will help them keep power. The founding fathers advocated the use of cutting edge weapons and today would be shocked at what compromises to the 2nd have done to WeThe People. Dropped the NRA decades ago…

6. Gun Owners of America sent an action alert to its members this morning to contact reps and senators to fight anti bump stock action. I like GOA. Not as big or showy as NRA but always on course, direct to the point, and not always asking for money. $20 per year gets all benefits. I am also a member of NRA.

7. Over the years, I have shot tens of thousands of rounds from rapid fire weapons:

   M85 MG (50BMG), M60D MG (7.62x51mm), M16A1 (5.56x45mm), & MAC-10 (.45 ACP) [Private].

   The U.S. Military has a long logistical supply chain: ships, aircraft, landing craft, trucks, etc., to make sure that the troops have all the ammo they need.

   I do not own or recommend any kind of automatic, bumpfire, or pistol brace stock firearm.

   As a private citizen, I simply don’t have the economic and logistical ability to have them.

   When things get tough, private citizens are going to need to make every shot count.

   In the past nine years, we have seen high costs and scarcity for ammo.

   One of the reasons there were probably no police sharpshooters at the Las Vegas mass shooting was due to the high price of ammo, a lot of LE departments have allowed that capability to diminish.

   The NRA is about firearm safety and proficiency, so they have no use for any kind of rapid fire device, they are more into safe, slow, effective fire.

   Years ago, a firearms writer, who believes that all semi-autos should be banned, almost got elected to the NRA board.

   There is a certain minority within the NRA who feel the same.

   Which is why I will never buy a lifetime membership, at a certain point, it may change through democracy into an advocate for more gun control, that I no longer want to associate with.

   For the past eighty years, gun rights activists have been forced into compromise, after compromise, all in the name of a safer society.

   When was the last time that the gun grabbers compromised or gave in on anything.

   NO MORE COMPROMISE!!!

   NO MORE GUN CONTROL!!!

   If someone wants to own all these rapid fire devices, let them, in their pursuit of happiness…

   The outcome of the last election mandated goals to secure the borders, repeal the burden on the middle class of ObamaCare, and reduce spending, but, what we are probably going to get in 2017 is just more feel good gun control… I can see the politicians now, all slapping themselves on the back, telling everyone that they did something to solved this problem…

   Do you feel safer now because of political actions of the past eighty years?

8. I am of the opinion that we should strive for complete deregulation of all weapons- but that is tempered with the belief that people generally can only handle freedom responsibly up to a point (which varies based on the individual).

   In an ideal world, those people who recognized their personal inability to handle certain degrees of freedom would exercise self-restraint. The world not being ideal, the choice we must make as citizens is whether the risks associated with greater liberty outweigh the risks associated with greater greater government control.

   “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.” – Thomas Jefferson

   Someone recently said of the Vegas Shooting that the only way to prevent it via legislation would be the implementation of a police state. I agree- and further, I think that “police state” will start to impact other areas of life, not just self defense.

   “The pen is mightier than the sword.”

   Google has started censoring searches; that there is a perceived need for restricted access to information should be alarming to all. What saddens me about Google’s decision is that they are perfectly happy to allow unrestricted access to information and ideas that are highly damaging (obscene).

   As a young man, it seems to me that society’s fathers exercise little control over the information content that their families absorb. Not that I blame fathers- that’s just what I see; other entities (public schools, television, the Internet, etc) seem to have taken over the parental duty of education.

   Education itself arguably has a spiritual component; public education’s attempt to secularize it has been disastrous.

9. The NRA are doing what they did in 1934, 1968, 1994 etc. We’ll give up a little bit of our rights to keep them happy and they well see that we’re the good guys and stop coming after our guns. When’s the next vote for nra board of directors there’s going to be some new names up. Never, Never, Never give up ANY rights for ANY reason, I’m in the UK this I know first hand.
   Benjamin Franklin had it right “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” (In a letter written by Franklin in 1755 on behalf of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the colonial governor.)

10. The NRA: She ain’t what she used to be.

    1. NRA lobbyists make very good money. They are just another mechanism to make money for a few, at the expense, or threat of expense to all gun owners and patriots.

       How many years does it take to make the Second Amendment clear and understood, definitve? Still stuck on stupid.

       Bump stocks today, tomorrow? They will never stop pushing. This maleable government is criminal, we all know it. The NRA plays a role well, wish it would just knock em out and call it a “RIGHT”.

11. Don’t be distracted by the MSM,who don’t know what end of the tube the round comes out of. A bump-fire from the prone at a downward angle? Maybe but I doubt it. That was belt fed medium MG firing from at least 3 locations simultaneously plus at least two others attacking two other cadino/hotels and shooting victims in the parking lots. This was a FALSE FLAG/COVERUP. The patsy who it is being pinned on was not physically capable of this act(he would of passed out or had a heart attack). Follow the actual evidence not what they want to feed you,think for yourself and apply the rules of logic and reasoning to get the truth.

12. The NRA is saying “let the ATF make the decision.” NRA knows that the ATF twice under the Obama administration ruled that bump devices were legal in that they did not illegally convert the firearm to full auto status. ATF further noted that the device was less important than the technique, which cannot be regulated.

    By moving the decision to the ATF, NRA is very effectively putting ATF in a difficult position. ATF will either uphold their ruling that the devices are legal and it is up to congress to write a law limiting their sale. Or ATF will have to explain that it is a technique not the device.

    It is also possible that ATF will have to admit that their previous ruling was in error, I doubt that this is likely, given that it occurred under the Obama “common sense gun laws” administration.

    It is a wonderful political strategy.

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