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1. Exactly what happened in the original EOTW thriller “Lucifers Hammer.” In it, the main character was “in cahoots” with his bestie! After the fall, human nature reared it’s ugly head and the friends were “not no more!” Best reason in the world or what’s left of it, to make your preps on your own, train alone preferably or with a group if necessary, but don’t trust everything to someone else, and keep your training and preps as low key as possible!

2. Fees and taxes associated with ownership are also something to consider. Covenants and HOA’s can put the kabash on your plans to use your property the way you would like. so take that into consideration in your search. There isnt much any of us can do about property taxes, except maybe have a couple of yrs worth put away.

   1. @L.O., All good observations. Remember that things change too. I have a friend who purchased property in a semi-rural area. He had some nice amenities but no covenants/restrictions other than what the county does. However, after living there for 8 years, the community decided to incorporate. Everything he currently has is grandfathered in, but now he has “code enforcement” telling him what kind of fence he can put in, how high his grass can be and what sort of roofing he can re-roof his house with among other things. The lesson he says he learned? Property, lots of property where you can’t see your neighbors.

3. JWR,
   I am a law student preparing for an upcoming property law final exam, so your property themed article was of particular interest to me. To add to your points, those who believe they can purchase a retreat property and then forget about it until the need arises may find themselves having lost their ownership rights to the property through various legal doctrines, adverse possession in particular. Do you think Survivalblog readers would be interested in an article explaining how to avoid loss of land ownership to an adverse possessor? If so, I would have happy to write on the subject.
   Please let me know.
   B

   1. @beginneronce,
      We would love to have an article from you on that subject!

4. One cannot buy loyalty and they will need not only others to prep for them but security. How long do you suppose that security will wait until they kick the rich nerds out to replace them with their own families in a full on disaster?

   1. Just thinking the same thing. I don’t see the staff calmly flipping pancakes for the well-heeled residents while outside their own families are fighting for survival.

      1. @Dean,
         I have images in my head of “servants” spitting in the drinks of those they serve. I’ve obviously been watching too much Galavant

5. You can’t own loyalty but you can rent it for a little while. As MAS and Dean pointed out the buy a bunker folks are likely to be simply shot in the head by their own security or the locals in a serious situation. Alternatively as JWR’s novels show “community” earned and invested in over time can provide security and a way to survive in extreme circumstances. Know your neighbors now and engage with them over time. Do they garden, do they hunt, do they feel strongly about self sufficiency, rights of the individual and do you have a church in common?

   1. These same folks buying their bug out condos build big walls around their mansions to keep the riff raff (like us) out. There will be no community (they would condescend to join) that are capable or willing to band together in a self sustaining group. Loyalty (like true friendship) is earned and the very folk they need to help them survive they disdain as they exploit (and spy on…Google/Facebook anyone?) to afford their artificial lifestyle.

6. There will be big business in this underground bunker business. We are told that in the future the rich will hide themselves in just this manner. Could it be that we’re getting ready for what Revelation 6:15-17 describes for us? —

   Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

   1. I would agree that it will be big business if the people are worried enough that something horrible is about to happen, and the majority of those that would spend that kind of money are used to paying others to take care of them. We at SurvivalBlog question whether that money is well spent. If, as you suspect, it is a fulfillment of Revelation 6, then it doesn’t matter. If it’s really needed to ensure survival of some great calamity, we question whether it would be available when you really needed it and your money would probably have been better spent learning and preparing yourself. If it’s never needed, you just kept someone in a job (and perhaps lined their pockets, depending on the arrangement.)

      All in all, we feel it’s better to be involved in your own survival preparations and relationships.

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