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1. Plastic solution. STOP MAKING IT! There are many other packaging options. I hate plastic. Makes you wonder what we did before plastic was invented…..wait! I remember! Cardboard, butcher paper, and glass. We didn’t live in a disposable society when I was a kid.

2. Thrown-away plastic doesn’t break and make for dangerous cutting edges the way glass does. Think edges of highways and car tires, for instance. Or along city streets and sidewalks.

   1. Yeah, not likely to get a flat tire from running over a plastic bottle. On the other hand the plastic breaks down into small enough pieces to be absorbed into the food chain. Hence we eventually eat it. Probably not something we should plan on doing. I like Brooksy’s suggestion. Stop making it as single use items. Or design them to be repurposed after use.

   2. This is one of the reasons bottle deposits make sense. Few will break bottles with a deposit on them,thought about this as I cleaned upa broken bottle from a sidewalk

3. Just a question. In Grand Rapids we have a large waste incinerator that produces electricity. I don’t know of the subsidies involved, there may be some. Aren’t plastics fuel?
   Basically petroleum? Serious question, wondering.

   1. Yes it can be used as fuel in such cases, but it isn´t considered necessarily an efficient method.

      It is considered only sensible if the garbage you must burn Needs fuel.

      Recycling is considered more efficient and sensible, and i consider a reasonable fee for the Service plastic not ending in the sea, landfill or worse a sensible measure.

      And btw how does the goverment makes Money from the bottles vs the taxpayer not Need to pay for the disposal of the bottles?

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         >i consider a reasonable fee for the Service plastic not ending in the sea, landfill or worse a sensible measure.

         That is still emptying someone’s pocket for a service that they may or may not want. VOLUNTARY recycling is fine with me.

         And Re:
         >And btw how does the goverment makes Money from the bottles vs the taxpayer not Need to pay for the disposal of the bottles?

         I’m not sure how it is managed in Germany, but here in the U.S., only a small fraction of the bottles get returned for a deposit refund. The government KEEPS the difference. That is a clever form of taxation.

         1. If they don´t want the Service, they shouldn´t sell their products in Germany in plastic garbage. That is usually more than useless and i don´t want to pay for it with my garbage fee.

            In Germany it cuts down massively on bottles, cans getting someone else Problem and public cost.

            >but here in the U.S., only a small fraction of the bottles get returned for a deposit refund. The government KEEPS the difference.

            How does that work?

            In Germany normally you give it back where you bought and get back the Money, that was normal when i was a child with glas water bottles, which btw started afaik 1929 with Coca – Cola, and is done by the GPO GDB the Co Op of the “beverage” Industry here

            The goverment has an Hands off politics as long as a “reasonable” standard of collecting and Recycling is done by the Business and industry

   2. IIRC there are some incinerators that use tires, etc., but I am unsure of the difficulties involved.

      Yes plastics are burnable, and make good emergency fuel in wet environments, but at least some of them are said to give off toxic compounds, so I wouldn’t recommend it.

4. “The fictional Tony Soprano” with his evil minions had to work hard, scrambling to make a dishonest dollar. … … Our faithful Civil Servants = [Asking how many people are productively working for our governments, ~ is actually a Philosophical Question.]

   1. That is the age old question how you define productive?

      Is protecting your Children from unsafe or poisonous Medicine productive?
      Is police, Justice, defense productive?

      My homestate had more Business Service personel around the world than the US, not the national goverment but the local state and my Country had much better stood the last economical Crisis than the US

5. We used to have incinerators that would burn garbage – including paper and plastics, but more “environmental regulations” made it too difficult.

6. “Oil Boom Town”
   Recovering Feminists – this is where you find a man! Tread carefully, the pickings are good but the winning is not easy. Most men have been crushed by women and some are working in the “man-camps” out of pure MGTOW motivation.

   I suspect this is a ripe location for a REAL church plant (not the kind that manipulates or fizzles out due to lack of sound doctrine). Working men need Jesus too. :]

7. “That is still emptying someone’s pocket for a service that they may or may not want. VOLUNTARY recycling is fine with me.” Years ago my wife and I did that on our own, and then the county starting charging us for the privilege. Needless to say I do NOT put my aluminum cans in the county recycling — I take them to the scrap metal place myself. I don’t get a lot of money for them, but at least the county doesn’t either.

8. I remember when recycling actually meant something..anyone else remember collecting used pop bottles and milk bottles? It was the best of both worlds.. You the consumer got a refund on your purchase.. and the suppler got their containers back.. cardboard, paper and the like broke down in landfills and became a nonissue.

9. I have long felt that the plastic recycling industry is a cover for socialism. The only true recycling is to reuse stuff. Exception is, as you say, paper and metal. Think about it: It was put in place to get people to accept plastic. 2 generations ago, they would have never accepted plastic. It is so unsustainable. I think it was created by the globalists to get us to buy cheap foreign made stuff that won’t last. They don’t care about the environment. Their goal is control. If our stuff wears out, we have to give them some of our money to get more. When you reuse as much as possible and use it to make other stuff, you are not proliferating the cycle.

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