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1. Pat:
   What is the weight difference between the pencil and standard barrels?

   1. 1.15 pounds.

2. Your answer is in the third paragraph of the article

   1. Walt:
      That is the weight difference between two different guns with two different barrels. It is NOT the weight of the barrels…

      1. What difference would that make? You carry the whole rifle, not just the barrel.

3. that wasn’t a true pencil thickness barrel. just the standard m4 and m4 heavy barrel. the pencil is even smaller, the entire ,front half to the end.

   the standard m4 is relief cut, just to cut a little weight. i think the heavyies look a bit better an remove some of the verticle poppyness, keepin g your longer range groups better.

   you can still ring the plates out at 300, but you need a softer rest and bury the forearm into a bag, and focus a little more on the basic funddamentals.

   my next build will be a heavy barrel 1:7 or 1:8, the 1:9’s just don’t stabilize enough on 55grns, to be considered tack drivers.

   good article.

4. You can carry one extra 30 round mag for the pound difference in weight.

5. Wish they’d bring back the Avalanche. Got over 500k miles before my last one went away.

6. Great article. Thank you for the information.

7. “We could have moved the targets out to 100 yards, but we thought it would really strain our concentration on shooting that far out…”

   From the guy that was shooting 10″ rocks at 100 yards with a 5″ 9mm AR with an unmagnified red dot?

8. Just got my first ar, keep up the good work.

9. How do you feel about both firearms using a bump stock? Would they hold up on rapid burst? Thanks for any opinion.

   1. just get a good2 stage trigger. you don’t need it a bump stock.
      a good trigger will run just as fast as a single stage, but more accurate. you can even just polish, your single stage, to make i t better. 2-3-4 shots beat a dump.

      you even have the option of a drop in binary trigger.
      geisels are pricy , but his wife makes ALS triggers, with the geisel rejects, still a good trigger.

      i would just clean up and polish my factory. you can put some padding, so you don’t hit your mag, with the hammer. run some 550 under the hammer and pull up, to give some tension , on the hammer. , pull the trigger , reset and repeat. this mates the 2 surfaces.

10. Very good article enjoyed reading it. I own a model 15 and enjoy shotting it often as I can thank you for the article.

11. I know my Ar’s fairly well no expert but I have been building them from scratch Stripped lower and incomplete uppers from 100% parts for about 5 years, and shooting AR’s regularly since the 90’s So I think I know a (little) about the AR. platform. But no pro.

    I bought a DPMS AP4 it is there basic AR, for the price at the time about 8 years ago was like 5 or 6 hundred with a vortex red dot. CHEAP price. The red dot stills sell 200 plus still. I thought what the heck, I will try one.
    Great starter AR or if you are on a budget, or first AR.
    I had a colt from from the 90’s and still have it, it 2 or 3 time the cost maybe more don’t remember. Building is also not cheap but fun to play.
    Well the price in my area of the country the mid west is about the same as 8 years ago, for the DPMS AP4.
    Well the DMPS AP4 and red dot have about 10k 15k good break in rounds over the years. As Pat says shoot fine with hard sight also. Kept it cleaned up,
    up grader the trigger spring to a 3 lbs trigger kit. That is about it.

    Point is that if you want to buy a few AR’s for trade barter, for each family member they works great, or just an good basic AR mine has been faithful.
    Never jammed with all type of junk ammo, well with the junk ammo I had a couple jam I think feeding.
    Also as most of you know DPMS sell lowers kits, rebuild parts & kits springs, trigger kits all sorts of AR goodies. A very reasonable price parts AR platform and good quality. I would recommend, just a nice carbine for the price.
    I have no thing to gain and am not affiliation with DPSM or it other associates.
    Nothing to gain here. Just my 2 cents, Blessing to All.

12. What was the purpose? You couldn’t get a infrared thermometer(10-15 bucks at Harbor Freight). Just an excuse to burn through 1k rounds? You could of shot 1000 inch and gotten ballisticly sound information. Doesn’t everyone know to bring a leather glove to a high count shooting session or a firefight(see Gunny Basiliones MOH citation on Guadalcanal)

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