The Survivalist’s Odds ‘n Sods

SurvivalBlog presents another edition of The Survivalist’s Odds ‘n Sods— a collection of news bits and pieces that are relevant to the modern survivalist and prepper from “JWR”. Our goal is to educate our readers, to help them to recognize emerging threats, and to be better prepared for both disasters and negative societal trends. You can’t mitigate a risk if you haven’t first identified a risk. Today, we look at Jeep-Size Mahindra Roxor SUVs.

2020 State Population Gainers and Losers

Reader H.L. mentioned this over at Zero Hedge Which States Saw The Biggest Population Inflows And Outflows In 2020.

Seattle May ‘Legalize Crime’ for The Poor and Mentally Ill

Linked over at the Whatfinger.com news aggregation site: Seattle Bill Could ‘Legalize Crime’ For Those In Poverty or With Behavioral Issues. This article begins:

“In what can only be described as turning morality on its head, a Seattle council member has introduced legislation that could allow courts to dismiss misdemeanor crimes, such as theft and assault, that were committed because of poverty or while a person was experiencing symptoms of a mental illness or substance abuse, reports the Seattle Times.

Introduced by city Council member Lisa Herbold in late October, the legislation is a continuation of the cities “woke” social justice efforts in the wake of the George Floyd police encounter. With the bill crafted under the label “poverty defense,” its defenders say that it aims to ease the burden of usual court rulings on lower income residents but has some worried it will pave the way for crimes like assault, harassment, communicating with a minor for immoral purposes, and more, to go unpunished.”

Car Computer Data Trove is Growing

Karen A. spotted this news item: Police Use Data from Car Computers to Solve Crimes

And here is an article with some related information from Kim Komando: Your car is watching: Here’s what your vehicle knows about you

Return of the $16,000 Jeep

Peter sent us this: The $16k Jeep Returns! (Just not from Jeep.) And here is a related article: Mahindra Deals Blow To Jeep After Getting Approval To Sell 2021 Roxor In The U.S., But FCA Isn’t Done Fighting

US Air Force Kinetic Weapons: Project Thor

Another from Peter: These Air Force ‘rods from God’ could hit with the force of a nuclear weapon. Here is how the article opens:

“The 107-country Outer Space Treaty signed in 1967 prohibits nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons from being placed or used from Earth’s orbit. What they didn’t count on was the U.S. Air Force’s most simple weapon ever: a tungsten rod that could hit a city with the explosive power of an intercontinental ballistic missile.”

EEOC Issues “Guidelines” Okaying Mandatory Vaccines

New “guidelines” from the EEOC: mention that private-sector employers may require a COVI-19 vaccine for their employees What You Should Know About COVID-19 and the ADA, the Rehabilitation Act, and Other EEO Laws.

Here is the pertinent section:

“A.6. May an employer administer a COVID-19 test (a test to detect the presence of the COVID-19 virus) when evaluating an employee’s initial or continued presence in the workplace? (4/23/20; updated 9/8/20 to address stakeholder questions about updates to CDC guidance)

The ADA requires that any mandatory medical test of employees be “job related and consistent with business necessity.” Applying this standard to the current circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic, employers may take screening steps to determine if employees entering the workplace have COVID-19 because an individual with the virus will pose a direct threat to the health of others. Therefore an employer may choose to administer COVID-19 testing to employees before initially permitting them to enter the workplace and/or periodically to determine if their presence in the workplace poses a direct threat to others…”

NYC Gun Permit Applications Soar — But Only 13% Approved

Reader C.B. sent this:  New York City gun permit applications soar — but the NYPD approves only 13%

‘Christian Nationalism’ Label Is the Left’s Latest Weapon

And lastly, H.L. sent us this one from PJ Media: ‘Christian Nationalism’ Is the Left’s Latest Weapon for Excluding 74 Million Americans From the Public Square

You can send your news tips to JWR. (Either via e-mail of via our Contact form.) Thanks!




66 Comments

  1. White supremacist and white nationalist are identifications applied to people of European Christian descent, who don’t wish to become a minority in their own country.

  2. On “‘Christian Nationalism’ Label Is the Left’s Latest Weapon”
    The article closed with “Today, it’s the statutes being pulled down and forever removed from our sight. They won’t stop with statutes.” I wonder if they meant “statues.”

  3. Hmm, just read some comments from top democrats about yesterday’s storming of the U.S. capital and how they are going to get to the bottom of everything and how heads are going to roll (Pelosi, Leah, Schumer,and others). My question was and is ” where the hell were you people for the last 3 and a half to 4 years when BLM and Antifa was raising so much hell, rioting in the streets, looting, burning out businesses ( both large an small ), harassing people that are or were minding their own business, or trying to burn down federal court houses with people inside. This just more of the same, ” don’t do as we do, do as we say “. and you wonder why the U.S. population in general are losing faith in the government and the legal system. but nobody worries about black on black crime in any of these larger cities. Just my two cents.

    1. I suspect some demos are feeling a little uncomfortable that their well being and/or elite lifestyles might be in jeopardy.

      Or it might just be a ploy to calm down half of the populace.

      My advice to congress and the new administration is to enjoy their d.c. lifestyles, implement some of their social agenda but DO NOT try any draconian gun control measures. It might run counter to the “good life”. Let’s live and let live.

    2. Starting on January 20th, we will be living in a whole other strange time and place. The time is the 1930s and the place is Nazi Germany. In case you haven’t guessed, we are the Jews in this situation. The entire government is against us, including the Republicans. They are spreading hate against us. Yesterday, a capitol policeman shot and killed an unarmed woman who was not threatening anyone. The members of congress are putting on a self-righteous show and plotting new evil schemes against the President at this very moment. Our government, and all of its evil workers, with very few exceptions, hate us. They hate our system of government and can’t wait until January 20th to be rid of the President. They want to invoke the 25th amendment. They want to impeach Trump AGAIN just for spite. They are crazy with hatred.
      The bullet that killed Ashli Babbit was heard around the world. We cannot let this stolen election stand. We cannot let the democrats’ and RINOs’ hatred for us and the trampling of our rights stand. The Jews were herded into cattle cars to where they were given ‘showers’. We will be riding in air-conditioned busses all the way to the death camps where we will be given our ‘vaccinations’. The New World is here now.

  4. Back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, the orbital weapons platform was called the “Sword of Damocles”. Even back then, there were rumors it was already deployed in secret over multiple shuttle launches.
    When we went into Iraq and Afghanistan, I sometimes wondered if any of the MOABs dropped could have actually been one of these.
    Cool tech, but scarey implications. Especially in the hands of our current rulers.

    1. I saw nowhere in the article about how the “Rod from God” would survive the heat of reentry. Is tungsten that resistant to high temps?

      Carry on

      1. Not sure about this application, but just offhand I know tungsten is used sometimes to make light filaments, so that would mean some temperature resistance. Don’t remember the melting point anymore without digging thru my dusty old chem notebooks…

      2. nickel iron meteors make it through the atmosphere easily and they are moving at much higher speeds… a large tungsten rod is probably moving at a relatively slower speed… and yes, tungsten has a very high melting temperature…
        Tungsten 6150 F
        steel 2800 F
        brass 1880 F
        Aluminum 1220 F
        lead 621 F

  5. $16k for a new CJ with locking diffs and no electronic cr*p to fail 2 weeks after purchase? Sign me right up! If the spare parts are readily available (or even better if interchangeable with old CJ parts), I’d love to have one.

      1. You would not even want to try that. Think air bags, collapsible bumpers, clean air package for the engine, approved lights and on and on everything would have to be DOT rated. The vehicle would have to be brought up to todays standards. How many would you have to destroy in crash tests alone. Probably a couple of million dollars just to get started. I brought in a Toyota Diesel Land Cruiser in 1980 and almost went postal trying to deal with US Customs, Department of Transportation State licensing etc. and there were parts available out of Canada. This would be a night mare as regulations are a lot tougher today than they were 40 years ago. My advice is buy an old jeep and restore it.

    1. Old Jeeps sell at a premium for a reason. ….. It might be difficult to make a Roxor 2021 “Street” legal (If at all) in some places.
      ****

      From ~Are ROXORS Street Legal? Rules Per State (With Examples)~ March 9, 2020. The particular State information is worth reading, for people interested in buying a Roxor.

      “With a Roxor, a seemingly daunting trip over off-road terrain becomes an easy task. Roxors are made specifically for off-road use, but you may want to use yours on a public road for one reason or the other.”

      Federal laws mandate that off-road vehicles like the Roxor cannot be used on public roads because they don’t meet safety and emissions standards. State law on the legality of off-road vehicles, however, varies.

      Make sure to check your state’s Vehicle Code to see if it is legal to drive utility vehicles like the Roxor on state roads.

      Below is a list covering the legal status of Roxors across all states in the USA: = Many states would prohibit a Roxor. Read the information.

      But Reason #10,323 to move to the Redoubt region: =
      *******

      ~Idaho’s laws = concerning utility vehicles are generally favorable, and with a few things, you can get permission to drive your Roxor freely on public roads.

      First, you will need a driver’s license and register your Roxor vehicle [you will get a license plate during the registration].

      You will also need to take out a liability insurance plan for the vehicle and get an OHV sticker for it.

      Additionally, you may need to add things like brake lights, taillights, headlights, mufflers, and reflectors to the vehicle [that is, if it doesn’t have them already].

      Although you may use your Roxor on all public roads [provided, it is duly registered], all highways and interstate roads are off-limits.

      [Taken from motorandwheels(dot)com]
      People need to check with the DMV in their own State, about the use of the Roxor.
      There’s a demand everywhere for an inexpensive car, without all the frills.

    2. It can not be made street legal. It would be like trying to register your 4 wheel ATV for street usage. The classification come at time of manufacture, to insure safety and emission standards are met. A lot of people found out the hard way that not all surplus Hummers are street legal and could not be registered, because of this. That why when buying a surplus Hummer it is important to make sure it is titled correctly.

  6. re:
    states population inflow/outflow

    Do those changes include the February-June totals of “…120 million deaths from CoViD-19…” proclaimed by ex-bureaucrat Joseph Robinette Biden in June 2020?

    *****

    As of 8am January 7th, 3020, alleged ‘vp-elect’ and current California senator kamala harris retains her senate position.

    Source:
    harris.senate.gov

    *****

    In other news, everybody using the nickname ‘LargeMarge’ remain teetering right on the verge of ‘somewhat sceptical’.

  7. Re: Christian Nationalism

    I have the distinct feeling that “exclusion from the public square” will hardly satisfy those of the marxist bent. I believe they would be more inclined to watching daily feedings of the lions… or other forms of entertainment at our expense.

  8. Up here, you can drive unlicensed vehicles up to the local grocery store and the police couldn’t care less. I’ve seen snow machines and 4 wheelers on the main road into town to go pick up a Papa Murphy’s pizza etc. No plates of course, some driven by young teenagers, all while the cops sit and watch them drive by. I don’t think they’d be allowed to go down the freeway, and I haven’t seen any go that far yet. I like the idea of an emp proof powerplant and 50 mpg. Yeah, $16k is still a bit steep, and there is a real issue with getting spare parts for these things. I doubt they are an exact match. A new gator isn’t that much less, and not nearly as capable.

  9. Maybe everybody has finally just decided it is time. Time to knock down all the pretty houses and the superficial fabrications of political correctness and start again. Time for the strong to stand up for what is right, and quit being dictated to by the weak/left that has weaseled its way into positions of power.

    Trump talked about people going home yesterday because we need to be a nation of law. This, as far as I’m concerned was a betrayal. When your enemy has nothing but contempt for the law, and will twist them, and reinterpret them at their pleasure, respecting the law is just a slow way to be legislated out of existence, or into slavery.

    To quote Abraham Lincoln: “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”

    Standing by up here to see what happens. Thoughts and prayers are with you all.

  10. I have no real data, but what makes anyone think that there wasn’t a large unidentified contingent of Antifa in the protesters in Washington DC inciting riot and general mayhem into the crowd? Because DJT called for demonstrations, he therefore owns any problems arising from the demonstrators, but he has no control over their actions. I know that that is what I would do if I was batting for the other team. Make the other side look as bad as possible, with minimum damage to me.

    1. Pretty sure that’s what happened. I have watched two separate videos from two locations seemingly showing police waving the ‘demonstrators’ inside. I have seen the reports and side-by-side photos that ‘Buffalo Guy’ (the one in Pelosi’s office wearing the horned costume) was previously present at BLM rallies. My husband said he heard an interview today with a person who had attended several previous Trump rallies, and said that at this one there were some folks that just didn’t fit in with the usual crowd and didn’t seem exactly completely dressed for peace (helmets, etc).

      Pretty sure it was a false flag. These tactics have consistently been used by one side, and it isn’t the Patriots.

      1. Here’s why I don’t put it past the Democrats staging that riot at the Capitol.

        You might recall that Project Veritas recorded a Robert Creamer bragging about how he hired thugs to start fights at Trump election rallies in 2016. The idea was to stage fights for the news media so they could paint Trump supporters as violent right wing “fascists”.

        Creamer was also on the Whitehouse visitor log hundreds of times, which means he was reporting his activities directly to Obama. They always tried to portray Obama as this clean, above board guy… he was, and is, as damned corrupt as they come. (Recall how he won his senate seat).

        I am certain someone is organizing and funding these Antifa thugs. Whoever it is, knows what Schumer and Pelosi needs to have happen, but stays far enough away to provide plausible deniability. There are plenty of millionaire donors to these groups, like Soros, Hollywood actors, corporations, etc. In the mean time, Kammie Harris said there should be more Antifa and BLM riots.

        I also point out the democrats have described themselves as the “resistance” (Against Hitler-Trump) and have said that they will do whatever it takes to defeat Trump. After all, what do you do to defeat Nazi’s ? Anything it takes. The end justifies the means.

        I think they justified vote fraud this way, and now Pelosi wants to drive a stake through Trump’s heart with a last minute impeachment so he doesn’t come back in 2024.

        Btw, did anyone see the Townhall article about the guy from Utah that was caught on video during the Capitol riot, a guy known for organizing Antifa and BLM protests? He claims he was there “documenting” the protest. Right in the thick of it… He just watched that poor woman die.

        Personally, I have never seen people at a Trump rally dressed head to toe in black riot gear complete with clubs and shields attacking police… that is the signature of Antifa. There’s plenty of video showing this.

        Damn right it was a false flag operation. God help this country.

      2. I watched a video early last fall. It’s a Christian with ties to Israeli intelligence. He stated that if Trump won antifa was going to go crazy. If Biden won, they were going to pass themselves off as Trump supporters and start riots that way. If I can find the video, I will post a link.

      3. We were at the rally. From where we were seated, in FRONT of the capitol building, at first the police kept protesters away from the building, but then, after 3 black SUV’s sped away, they opened up the barriers and allowed protesters to walk past and ascend the SECOND stairs (the central ones) right underneath the dome to wave flags and take pictures, but they held a line across the FIRST stairs that everybody walked past (where the secret service cars had been). Out in front of the building, everything was cordial. Didn’t witness the breach at the back, but the cops up front and the protesters seemed to get along just fine. The secret service SUV’s … protesters SCREAMED “traitors” at whoever was in those three SUV’s. Don’t think it was Pence … it was reported that he had already left by the time people got up there from the Washington Monument.

  11. To JWR and AL. Do you have a copy of 48 Hours by William Forstchen? If you do I suggest reading the first couple of pages of chapter 14. Read that last night after reading AL’s comments. If you don’t have it, let me know and I will send some relevant quotes.

    1. Seriously, you’re going to tease us all with that?! Give us the quotes lol
      I read his One Second After series and really enjoyed it. Will have to check this one out.

    2. Yes, agree with Once a Marine…I don’t have access to a copy of 48 hours so am quite interested to understand your reference BWL. (none of my libraries have copies…)

      A short synopsis of the connection to the current events please? Thanks!

    3. I found this YT, which was interesting.

      48 Hours (William Fortschen) [Review of]
      (YouTube Video, 9:33)
      The Worthy House
      Feb 16, 2020
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwh3jVUtHQ

      This channel is new to me, but he also has some other interesting videos
      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJLt7JpGgu3IFG9SMivKOmA

      Including this new one:

      4th Generation Warfare Handbook (William S. Lind) [Review of]
      (YouTube Video, 20:24)
      The Worthy House
      Jan 5, 2021
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VVT6zwBAgs

    1. Safe to assume new gun control laws will be passed in the Biden (or Harris) presidency. No doubt the Capitol riots will be used to justify disarming those dangerous facists out there… you know, the ones at the Trump rally, not the ones that tried to burn down Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, etc. etc. etc.

    2. Kelley,

      Ammunition in stores might be unavailable.
      Ammunition might be taxed or require a background-check… or both.
      Ammunition might be unavailable to ‘nice’ folk (with their misguided Normalcy Bias).

      However, as one of his articles today [“Who is down for some shopping!”] emphasized, Mobile Supply Pods are and will be ‘available’ to the bold.
      Source:
      * BigCountryExPatOriginal

      Big also goes by the nomer ‘Intrepid Reporter’.

      His blog is a wealth of hands-on real-world experience.
      Big earns TheLargeMarge SealOfApproval.

      Caution:
      * Big sometimes has a potty-mouth and a ‘no prisoners’ attitude.
      And he builds flame-throwers for fun.

  12. The following quotes are from 48 Hours by William Forstchen. The context is an extinguish level event will happen within 24-48 hours. The president is discussing politics with his lead scientist. He is referencing Thucydides’ History of the Peloponnesian War.

    “The Athenians, supposedly a true democracy, are fairly close to winning the war after more than a decade of bloody fighting. But the stress of it, the pressures, the decisions, and put into that mix the seekers of profit or glory or both, all turn upon each other. One of them, Alcibiades, would definitely for into today’s political world with the way he could switch sides and almost always come out ahead. it reveals so much, that in order for a democracy like that to survive not just in good times but in crises, it must be led…no, not led- it must be guided by men of ethics or moral character. But once the demagogues” – he sipped his coffee-“interesting word, that. Greek of course, it means ‘people leader,’ but not in a good sense. Demagogues hold power by inflaming the passions of the people to their own ends rather than as the ideal of leading to policies based upon higher ideals and moral decision-making. It’s why someone like Socrates, who actually fought in the war but then was publicly denouncing the collapse of ethics and moral decision-making by his leaders, was finally told to shut up and handed that cup of hemlock. ”

    “You and I are about the same age, Richard. Remember the times when we were going through college? It was becoming such a new age with powerful new tools for demagogues to rise up using those tools: instant mass communications, twent-four-hour-a-day news, billions of dollars being thrown out-or should I say thrown up?-into each campaign. I saw that and thought of old Thucydides as those so-called leaders urged their self-righteous mob on, shouting, ‘We are right, you are wrong!’ and lead that mob in their frenzy, crying out, ‘I am fighting for you!'”

    “Logic therefore leads to what? Be it in front of the Parthenon in Athens or here. If both sides are screaming the other side is the enemy to fight against, the enemy therefore has to ultimately be ourselves. The enemy is someone we just plain disagree with and must be crushed rather than working united as we once could do at times. For that and other reasons, after doing a stint in the army, I found myself in law rather than history. Thought that rather than study and teach about what was, maybe I could do something about it instead and therefore went into politics and law.”

    What caught my attention was the analysis of modern society an the rise of demagogues, especially when reflecting on recent events.

      1. After the events of yesterday (and recent history)and then reading the comments on here late last night, I read that section. Kind of like getting slapped in the face. Normally I read my Bible before going to bed, but last night I read that section.

        1. BWL…THANK you for taking the time to post this lengthy comment for those of us who could not source the book.

          The thought seems accurate and reflects much of the going ons of late.

          As I watched the coverage of the crowds and behavior yesterday i wondered why the crowds were allowed to go past prohibited areas. Especially when the local city administrators had prepared for what they expected would be a HUGE crowd. Then i realized, they had been allowed to do this on purpose,(with the help of the helmeted, skinny jeaned infiltrators.) As one clip showed just such a person harassing law enforcement in vehicles, another in the same garb, put hands up to block the camera filming. Meanwhile, an older gentleman is trying to get the one harassing the vehicles to stop, as a law abiding patriot would do.

          Also saw white stickers with what looked like a red target? (3″diameter approximately,) on helmets and backpacks of the skinny jean type crowd…identifying them as non-targets? Makes It look like a setup…as another commenter said, buffalo jump?

          Looking to hear from those who were there and could see the situation first hand…

  13. RE; mandatory vaccines
    I was wondering about this issue of aborted fetal cell lines being used to develop and test vaccines.
    I have no problem with vaccines per se, I do believe they work. However, I do have a problem with benefiting from the purposeful death of an innocent. There is some information out there that says the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine doesn’t use fetal cells, but they do use the HEK293 cell line to test the vaccine. Same for Moderna.

    I will wait for the Sorrento (USA) vaccine which does not use fetal cells in design, production or testing. Unfortunately its only in the “preclinical” stage. I can wait.

    For more info: check out the Charlotte Lozier Institute, “COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates and Abortion-Derived Cell Lines.”

    From their pdf:
    “Accurate information about the development and production of COVID-19 vaccines is essential, especially because many proposed candidates use newer molecular technologies for production of a viral vaccine. One concern regarding the ethical assessment of viral vaccine candidates is the potential use of abortion-derived cell lines in the development, production or testing of a vaccine. This analysis utilizes data from the primary scientific literature when available, along with data from clinical trial documents, reputable vaccine tracking websites, and published commercial information.1 It is the hope that by providing accurate data, recipients can make well-informed decisions regarding vaccine choices.”

  14. False Flag operation, went off as planned. The steal of the election is complete. Our country is over. Now what ? I suppose the only option left is war. I dread it, but we must do again what our forefathers did, and that is to wage war against our oppressors. May God be on our side as we do our terrible deeds. Amen.

    1. Word is out that a lawsuit will be heard on 1/15 about phony ballots in GA. If successful it may overturn the senate race(s), even if it probably won’t change the presidential results.
      Every little bit of hope is…

      1. There’s still some life left in the Arizona state legislative investigation into the presidential election, as well. Next week the new AZ state legislators get seated, under the exact same leader, overwhelmingly conservative and concerned about how their elections got hacked on the federal level. They also have a court hearing a couple of days after that. Don’t know if it will make any difference with Trump, but I, for one, want to make sure the cheaters can’t do this to our country again.

  15. Remember this?

    ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed….’

    I do not consent.

  16. I was considering a Roxor if I could make it street legal. Then the lawsuit with “Jeep” and I just kinda let it slide. Would be perfect behind a motorhome, and half or less than the price (and weight) of a Wrangler.
    Here’s hoping.

  17. So have I just been wearing my tinfoil hat too long, or does anyone else think that the video posted tonight by the President just looks…..off? His voice is there but it isn’t quite his normal speech patterns, and his head looks disjointed from his shoulders?

    1. Bear,

      James M Dakin of the old BisonPrepper blog had a frequent observation about TheGoofballsInCharge:
      * “…they aren’t even trying to hide it…”

  18. I think I have figured out one of the reasons that Pelosi keeps trying to tip ?Trump over the edge. She is jealous of his ability to lead.

    She can’t keep control of 221 members of her own party in Congress, let alone the other 211 members of the opposition.

    Meanwhile, by some accounts there were approximately a million people at the rally on Wednesday. When things got out of hand (and yes, iMHO, the agitators were not truly Conservatives or Trump supporters), Trump posted a video on his Twitter account, asking people to go home peacefully and to respect the police. And POOF! Magically a million folks dispersed, no fighting, no looting, no burning cars, buildings or dumpsters, They went home and got on with their lives, except for a few who got caught up in the moment and the chaos. They will have to live with their actions and the consequences.

    The Democrats/Liberals/Progressives just can’t stand the fact that he has that ability and they seem to feel threatened by it. I am holding out hope that Trump can keep it together long enough to get out of office in one piece with at least a little of his dignity intact. But they are making it so difficult for him. They have made his life a living Hell for the past 5 years. And they are insistent on making the next two weeks even worse for him. I really hope the truth comes out about paid agitators… it seems to be trickling out but I am sure the MSM will try to bury it.

    Meanwhile, we are glad to be living somewhere rural and remote. Wish we could get a few of our like-minded friends to relocate close by. Ah well….they will have to figure out how to survive where they are. There is not much else we can do about it.

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