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  1. This what usually happens. For those not into the markets, yet hold gold or silver, margin calls force the sale of assets outside the ‘margin’ account to maintain a required percentage of value, as collateral on a loan from the broker, to purchase additional stock that they did not use cash to pay for. The broker must protect themselves, and requires the client to deposit additional funds to replace the value lost due to the decline of the value of the stock purchased with ‘margin'( a loan). The client is at the mercy of the market. When the decline is rapid, and the client does not deposit additional funds within a few days, the broker can sell at his discretion, other stocks or assets in the client’s portfolio, assets not in the margin account, to cover the margin call. The client has a few days to find the cash, perhaps from the sale of gold, and deposit the funds with the broker, or the broker can force the sale of remaining stocks at current depressed prices, to eliminate the brokerage’s risk in a declining market. This means as the market falls, more assets, such as gold will likely be sold to cover additional margin calls. The price of gold and silver may continue to fall as a result of the massive decline in the stock markets. It may also fall under additional downward pressure as short sellers of gold and silver , sell into the decline, and hope to cover, or buy back their short sale, at a very low price, and profit when they close the short.
    However, once these forced sales gold and silver slow, the price will be very attractive, and buyers will step in and hopefully will cause a short squeeze in gold and silver, and the price will quickly return, and exceed recent levels. In fact this situation may kick off a bull market for gold and silver.

    I am a penniless old man living in the woods, and have zero credentials. Please do construe any of the above as investment advice. It is YOYO time!

    In response to:
    “It seems that investors have been selling gold in order to cover losses elsewhere,” said Caroline Bain, chief commodities economist at Capital Economics, in a Friday research note. “Ample liquidity in the gold market means that the sale of gold holdings is a relatively quick and seamless way to raise cash in times of need.”:

  2. Won’t lower interest rates decrease investment in infrastructure? Why would I lend money, build new factories, houses, etc if my money makes so little. Why would I save money. Seems like we are rewarding grasshoppers instead of ants.

    1. This is what we’ve been up against my entire adult life. Saving money is the dumbest thing you can do. They want to force you into risky investments to help support their stock market.

      They make fun of Goldbugs because you can’t eat it and it doesn’t pay dividends—yet they buy stocks with price earnings ratios around 100! Essentially, their only chance at increasing in value is price appreciation…., just like gold.

      The problem is, when it’s time to retire, you have to sell the stocks because there are no dividends to live off of.

      If I’m going to have to sell something to live off of the capital, I’d just as soon own something liquid and stable and somewhat protective against inflation.

      We may be getting the reset needed to vindicate the virtuous ant.

        1. I see. I think you’re right. Generally, it is lack of capital that leads to lack of investment —. Which is to say that if you don’t have “some skin in the game”, the banks generally got wanna help. That is very rational on their part. However, since ‘08 especially, the amount of down money required by the regulators has dwindled to nearly nothing in an effort to stimulate the economy and loosen the purse strings of the banks.

          The problem is how do you save down money if it doesn’t pay you some interest to save it?

  3. I’ve been following precious metals since I was 13 and I have never in my life seen a one-day bloodbath like we are seeing this morning. In the wee hours in the European markets, the gold to silver ratio hit 1:124. I hope everyone had the foresight to sell their Rhodium when Jim mentioned it a few weeks back at near the peak, it’s being hammered ruthlessly, and platinum is half the price of gold now. Wow. As I’ve been mentioning, we’re going to see a repeat of 2008/9 so hang onto your hats. I bet a pecan pie the Dow sets a top three down record today. Silver is setting up for another great short-term investment opportunity like it did during the 2008/9 meltdown when you could double your money and then sell out at 5x in 2011.

    1. Agree- IF you can find a dealer to sell it! Our LCS has gone ‘no bid’ meaning they are not selling at these prices. (I’m guessing they are buying hand over fist tho’). If you’ve got available cash, and can find PM’s available to buy, get ready and be prepared to ‘back up the truck’ – to buy some more!

  4. A comment about the Baltic Dry Index….

    To get a good perspective of where global shipping is look under the bottom, left hand side of the graph. There are the characters 1y, 5y, 10y, 25y, and ALL. These indicate the graph in years. Click on ALL and see just how low shipping is in comparison to the past.

  5. I read an article yesterday (don’t remember where) that talked about the paper-physical silver market had decoupled, and a quick look at online sellers confirmed it to me.
    The cheapest price I could find on a silver eagle (random dates) was $20 with a 10 PLUS day delay in shipment. The sites that said “in stock” were $22.50 for cash today, up from $20.50 yesterday.
    The US mint is already sold out of 2020 eagles for the year, I’m going to check out my local dealer today for fun and see what he’s up to. I don’t recall ever seeing a $8-10 premium on silver, and as the miniscule silver coin market gets gobbled up like the toilet paper market, lets see where this goes.

  6. Jim: Expect prices to keep increasing on antique firearms. Although our laws are a little different, I have been watching the prices on those spike here in Canada. A couple years ago a Webley Mk1 with shaved cylinder to shoot .45 ACP was running at about $17-$1800. Today you wont find one under about $2500. Nice WG’s are over $3K.

  7. For those of you who haven’t stocked up on needed ammo beware of the same scammers
    that have did it before and remember who they are, like (LOWER THAN DIRT) company
    A box of white box 9mm normally 10-13 dollars for 50 is now 399.00 for 500 rounds.
    That’s 40 dollars for a box of 50

  8. I’ve read that America will need a response equal to that to World War II.

    I’d say America will need Americans equal to those who responded to World War II.

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