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    1. Great article, good food for thought, much thanks. It is also fun when taking a drug screening test to ask if they test for halucenagens (most do not). Then tell them Awesome!, I’m good then and hand hand them the sample.

  1. I really hate standardized tests. They assume that there is a certain body of knowledge that needs to be poured into each person. It is simply not the case, because each person doesn’t live the exact same life, and so we won’t have the same experiences. To assume that we each need the same body of knowledge is pure communism.

    I also take issue with the genetics vs environment debate in intelligence. Genetics determine things like, hair color, bone size, etc. It doesn’t determine intelligence. But neither does environment. The concept that there is a certain standard by which to measure intelligence is, in and of itself, communism. Again, there isn’t a certain body of knowledge that each person needs to have. To assume that genetics has any impact on intelligence is a belief in evolution. One day I got to thinking about genetics. I was thinking about it in relation to our health, since it’s often assumed that things like diabetes is genetic. God made it very clear to me that that view is absolutely false and anti-God. Our life is a gift from God, and so he gave us what we need to live to our full potential. To blame a weakness on genetics is to say that he didn’t give us what we need to live to our full potential. It makes him less God. That is simply not the case.

  2. While this is interesting, I do not see how it’s related to prepping. How does evading & escaping standardized testing equip people to become better prepping? I hope someone here can enlighten me.

    1. Chris

      Isn’t prepping aquring general life and living skills as well ? is reading an article on breeding German Shepards about prepping ? or can it be applied to general living as well ? I had friends who applied for jobs at a big dept store picking up customer shoppings carts and taking them back in the store, they had to do idiotic BM test’s and psychometric test’s ( they failed ), they needed money to put in the bank to feed themselves, this article would have helped them to get the job !, again isn’t that survival ? is for them, I assure you, I don’t know if you are being critical for the sake of being mean ( I hope not ), I for one have no problem with the article, you didn’t need to read it did you ????.

  3. “genetics or upbringing”
    Their god of evolution is a phony. And their priests of science as some sort of god leads a people to Psychology and Psychiatry, that are of the devil and psychologists and psychiatrists are the modern day witch doctors of shamanism.

    There is a book that teaches a man all he needs to know about how to live here on earth, in it is life, all else is death.

    God is God, Science is the discovery of His creation and created order. Science is not a god. You can not systematize knowing the heart of a man, as you’ve proven here. If you want to know a man, go to his church, be that church a TV, or shopping mall, or a bar, or cabin in the woods, or house of God. This is how you know a man.

    Psychology and especially Psychiatry aren’t even science. Nothing it does is provable and repeatable with proper controls in an isolated (laboratory) environment. It’s hockus pockus. Ooga booga throw your first born virgins into the volcano to appease the gods of science. The paganism of science as god is how you end up with 70 million dead babies, er, lumps of flesh all killed by ‘psychologically sound’ people and approved by ‘psychologically sound’ politicians.

    Look at all of the ‘well-adjusted’ mass murderers running the white house administrations of the past 150 years. Yeah, sure, they’re ‘healthy’.

    Evil is real, God is real, and Science is either the discovery of the facts of creation or it’s a religion come death cult.

    1. Mental disease is as real as diabetes, atherosclerosis or a fractured rib. There are doctors that are gifted healers and there are some just follow the recommended treatment for a given symptom. Some patients respond well to a given treatment regimen and others who succumb to the proper treatment course.

      Some people with mental illness respond well to treatment (a gifted healer being an important adjunct), and are able to live a relatively normal, healthy life. Others just can’t be helped – it could be the physician or the patient.

      Blanket statements should always be viewed with suspicion. I agree that much of the psychology/psychiatry field has been infected with political overtones, but there are good doctors out there.

  4. I covet privacy and abhor pack mentality as much as anyone. That sad as an employer I have a different take on personality tests. I have done a lot of hiring for both white collar and blue collar entry level jobs. References are great if applicant have experience but with all the legality issues today few previous employers will dare give references. One of my next-preferred tools was the Myer Briggs personality type indicator. It works if you know what personalities you are looking for. Trust me, the best suited personalities for an accountant is typically much different that those of a car sales person. Some personalities and job requirements are mutually exclusive.

    Rebels are great in my book. They are free to exercise their liberties to start their own businesses, many of which require more mentoring than formal education. Today that’s the route I take.

    1. Montana Guy, I also took the Myer Briggs personality type in college as part of an RA leadership class, & then when I began seminary, & a counseling prof reviewed it w/ me. THen my wife & I both took it in preparing for a clergy marriage conference/retreat we went to, & a counselor/leader reviewed it w/ me. So it seems to me that personality tests can be used for good or bad.

      1. Chris, you probably hit the big issue in your last sentence “personality tests can be used for good or bad.” All of our managers were well trained in using the MG type indicator. And it was always voluntary. Demographics might make a difference. Our company was in rural Maine and had about 70 people. It was a peaceful place to work.

        1. Montana Guy

          Most of us, do not have the luxury of living in rural areas, I live in a big city, because most jobs are in the city, I don’t live here because I want to, too many jobs use these ” test’s ” to filter out good people, the test’s never can test for morality, honesty, diligence, ethic’s, every year people in LE or any of the so called public services ( fire dept etc ) are kicked out for theft, anger,drug issues etc, so how did the test’s filter out these people ? short answer is it didn’t ! did it ?

          If they work for you , good on you, for most of us, it’s just another scam.

          1. Tom, the test Chris and I are referring to are designed to help identify personality type indicators. In the case of Myer Briggs there are 16 indicators. If someone told you they identified behavioral characteristics then yes, you were scammed.

            One reason we sacrificed higher paying jobs and conveniences of a big city was to avoid the inordinate number of scammers, and criminals.

  5. Ok, can anyone, whether Autistic Prepper, JWR, or HJL or a reader, please explain how this is related to prepping??
    This seems to fit w/ the privacy concern & not trusting authorities worldview of some or many preppers. Is that now part of the mission of this site, to shape the worldview of prepper-readers?

    1. I read the About Us tab on this site. I typed Precepts in the search function & read the some of the columns by JWR about his precepts, beliefs & survivalist philosophy. But I don’t see how this column on escaping & evading standardized tests fit into what survivalblog is about. This has been my favorite prepping site for almost as long as I’ve been prepping, & I have most of JWR’s books & have learned so much from other writers here. So I’m very grateful for JWR & HDL. I’m not asking this in a critical way; I’m here to learn with an open mind. I would greatly appreciate if someone could explain how this topic fits w/ a survivalist philosophy or worldview.

    2. If something you read doesn’t apply to you or your world view, don’t read it and move on.

      Just because this article doesn’t fit your view of what “prepping” is, doesn’t mean someone else won’t find value in it.

  6. Chris, until the US experiences a re-birth of freedom, and a return to privacy of our personal lives, we have to mostly operate within the parameters set by the statists lording it over us. It’s the rendering to Caesar thing, from Christ, in one of His greatest lessons. So, knowing how to make your way through all the statist and wrong things you have to put up with, gets you a job, and with the earnings of that job you fight back against this kind of tyranny, any way you morally can. Next, with wise and judicious use of those funds, you buy things to prepare you for the inevitable slam into the bottom, and also to train yourself and your family for it. If the job requires you to violate your beliefs, or requires you operate outside morality, then you go find another. This was a good post by the author, and a wrinkle in the plans of not just surviving, but thriving in spite of events.

  7. Environmental is the correct answer because if you took one twin and dropped it off in a Chinese cancer village, the child that was saturated with poisons would measure worse in every metric. The child would certainly be shorter, as well as have a weaker immune system. Developmental neurological problems, if not outright organic brain damage, would be likely.

    Biochemistry does not have a political affiliation.

  8. Chris, you will understand how this is relevant to prepping when the government requires you to undergo mandatory psychological testing before you purchase a gun or ammunition. After all, you could be a potential mass killer. If you are, we sure don’t want you owning a gun. The current laws which allow the government to identify people who “might” do something wrong and remove their firearms is a clear predictor of one anti-gun strategy. This article is to give you a warning of how to handle a situation which will almost certainly happen in the next few years, if Pelosi gets her way.

    1. Autistic Prepper, thanks for your explanation. I live in a GOP state that doesn’t require background checks or gun registration, although I realize that the fed govt can change that. Yes, Big Brother in moving toward trying to predict who will or will not commit a crime. Thanks again for providing the application.

  9. Autistic Prepper-

    Hi, very timely article and also gives me ideas for fooling idiotic psychometric tests, far too many Govt depts and now job agencies use these tests for snooping purposes, recently friends of mine went for a job with a big dept store and they were tested for their job they applied for , you know what the job was ? going out and collecting customer shopping carts left in the carpark by shoppers ! I mean for what $7.00 bucks an hour ?, our friends failed the tests !, I have tried numerous times to get into border protection and customs, but failed numerous efforts, twice the third party Agency hirer asked me if I had anything to say, I did !, I said ” how do these test’s of odd numbers, shapes, colors, if I liked my mother or got angry when confronted test a applicant for honesty, morality, diligence, integrity, ? ” …….the Agency tester had a simple answer …………” we can’t test for those attributes “.

    Needless to say, they didn’t like my reply, I also hate their way’s of trying to snoop into my mind without my consent. I personally hate it!

    Again, great article.

  10. These are serious questions and are not in any sort of agenda seeking angle.

    Have you spent any time in a school classroom?

    Do you know what these standardized test/ state assessments are for?

  11. Within reason it is possible to understate or mask through more purposeful test taking manipulation.

    This can be useful to “grey-out” becoming a sheeple rather than revealing one’s true nature and/or capabilities.

    The training is non-trivial and doesn’t have a uniform uptake across those trained.

    Not very certain it is worth the efforts other than in very specific and special circumstances.

  12. Standardized testing is a very serious challenge to liberty, and thus very relevant to prepping issues. Big government should know very little about you. However, the strategies given for random answers will not work on sophisticated tests. The MMPI, for example, has as I recall, six lie scales. Each scale might have a dozen or so questions. For example, one scale consists of repeat questions throughout the test with slightly different wording. You have to be consistent or they know you are lying.

    A better strategy to beat these tests is to imagine yourself as a character (say a housewife or a dock worker or a zoo keeper) and answer all questions consistent with how that character would feel.

  13. Well, I have run my small business for 34 years and hired off and on. I use one of those tests. It is called Omnia Profiles. They tested me and then evaluate others with the same test in the context of me and my current employees. I have found it extremely foolish to ignore what they have to say. I am troubled at how they seem to be able to look right into your soul. But it works. The test is four columns of words which are identical on two pages. The instructions vary in that the first page asks you to mark words you use to describe yourself. The second page asks you to mark the words others use to describe you. Pay attention to what they have to say, hire the right people and all of you and your employees live happily ever after. Ignore them and have anger, turn over, poorly served customers and other forms of mayhem. I invite you to play games with my test so that I will know you are an asshole up front. I would rather, however, find out you have some integrity with a simple “no thank you.”
    On the government intrusion front, you will not be able to fool them. Just bought some of that collectors break free myself. Make sure you have weapons bought from an FFL in every caliber you own.

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