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Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
The ENTIRE PRC is a prison. 1.5 Billion people. Way more than the USA.
We don’t live in PRC, we live in police state USA
Much I could say here, over whelming amount of gobblety gook in that article. Here are my solutions, all of which were practiced in the past.
Let’s bring back the old work farms. No reduced sentences. Actual hard labor for your sentence would make repeat offense much less likely. Prisoners should be growing their own food so the rest of us don’t have to pay for it. Living in tents would be fine too. Lets make little rocks out of big rocks again. These thugs need something else to do besides play basketball, lift weights and misbehave while I pay for it through my taxes.
Habitual criminals should be executed . Murderers should be executed pronto, not after 30 years of appeals.. Following my suggestions would reduce prison population rapidly.
What was that with a fair Trial, human Rights, no cruel punishment and that the punishment is adäquate to the crime, have you thought on or tried Rehabilitation?
Actual hard Labor… why has the EI much less Problems with that, than the US
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a hero of Arizona.
Just a few comments from someone who actually worked in a men’s prison.1) some of you forget, not ALL are violent offenders. Some have committed non violent offenses like selling pot, or burglary. Do we want THESE people to become hardened, hateful people when they are released? I don’t, because they are going to be someone’s neighbor. Most need:education, as they don’t have GED’s. Job, so they have a skill when released. Your suggestions were practiced in the past. Do we really want to go backwards in the way we treat our fellow human beings? I, for one, do not. Weight rooms? Yes, if it lets them take out tension there, instead of on ME, the guard.
Every welfare state comes gift-wrapped in a police state. Every police state spawns an incarceration state. Every one.
an interesting topic to introduce at the next party, are some people so inherently evil and unredeemable that for the good of society they should be humanely euthanized after, say 2 attempts to reform them. They go through life damaging every other person they come in contact with.
There is an enormous amount of information about criminal behavior on the Internet. Prisons, jails, and parole officers are ~ how our society tries to protect its citizens. … Here’s part of one article in WebMD. =
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~Sociopath vs. Psychopath: What’s the Difference? By Kara Mayer Robinson ~ =
You may have heard people call someone else a “psychopath” or a “sociopath.” But what do those words really mean?
You won’t find the definitions in mental health’s official handbook, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Doctors don’t officially diagnose people as psychopaths or sociopaths. They use a different term instead: antisocial personality disorder.
Most experts believe psychopaths and sociopaths share a similar set of traits. People like this have a poor inner sense of right and wrong. They also can’t seem to understand or share another person’s feelings. But there are some differences, too.
Do They Have a Conscience?
A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He’s a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.
A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.
A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He’s a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.
A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.
They’re Not Always Violent
In movies and TV shows, psychopaths and sociopaths are usually the villains who kill or torture innocent people. In real life, some people with antisocial personality disorder can be violent, but most are not. Instead they use manipulation and reckless behavior to get what they want.
“At worst, they’re cold, calculating killers,” Kipnis says. Others, he says, are skilled at climbing their way up the corporate ladder, even if they have to hurt someone to get there. … (The rest at WebMD and the information on the Internet.)
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Me: = Many articles by advocates for releasing prisoners, often do NOT discuss underlying factors (moral compass), that causes the behavior leading to Jail-Time.
And yes, a brain and a conscience can be psychologically ‘beat up’; ~ just like it’s possible to physically beat up your car with a sledge hammer. At some point, only God can fix things with some people (at least with present day knowledge).
Stay with SurvivalBlog for common sense information.
Many other information outlets can make even Mogadishu, Somalia seem like a place of perfect sanity, and the perfect vacation spot for wearing a skimpy bathing suit 24/7.
I didn’t copy and paste correct. I repeated a paragraph about a psychopath, when I should have included this part (from WebMD):
“A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it’s weak. He may know that taking your money is wrong, and he might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won’t stop his behavior.
Both lack empathy, the ability to stand in someone else’s shoes and understand how they feel. But a psychopath has less regard for others, says Aaron Kipnis, PhD, author of The Midas Complex. Someone with this personality type sees others as objects he can use for his own benefit.
Forgive me. My eyes glazed over while reading this clap-trap and I stopped mid-article. Is this Survivalblog Contributor moonlighting from his job as a Progressive sociology professor, or perhaps hoping to improve his chances for gaining tenure?
While he may say that cutting off a thief’s hand is out of proportion to the offense (and I expect that most would agree), I remember seeing in Time Magazine in the early ’70s that a wallet could lie on the sidewalk in Riyadh for days and no one would pick it up for fear of being accused of theft. I expect that there is a middle ground here.
I’m not sure how the concern about prisons relates to survival issues. Shouldn’t this more appropriately be the subject of an article in The Atlantic? My only survival concern about prisons is that there are prisoners in them who probably escape in a Post-Apocalyptic World. I will worry more about protecting myself from them than about how to reduce the time they spend in prison.
So now, we have sentencing reform. I predict that the crime rate will go up, just as it went down after the mandatory sentencing guidelines were adopted decades ago. Just as a baseball player’s home run record becomes limited when he is frequently on the disabled list, criminals will commit fewer crimes over their lifetime when they are in prison for extended periods.
By coincidence, I began to watch “Cool Hand Luke” on Netflix last night. In one scene, the “floorwalker” explains to new arrivals the rules of the prison work camp. (This movie was released in 1967. For the first third of the film that I watched, I saw 40 or 50 extras portraying prisoners. Every prisoner was a white man–and in the South, for crying out loud! My how times have changed.) The floorwalker goes through perhaps 15 rule violations, including things so trivial as failure to put a dirty sheet in the proper place. For each violation he describes, the penalty for the violator is always “spends the night in the box.”
In a Post-Apocalyptic World, there most likely won’t even be the alternative of “spending the night in the box.” The Department of Corrections will likely be a distant memory, and the local jail, if it still exists, will likely see little use. Violations of (former) laws and serious breaches of common decency in human behavior will likely be treated with the equivalent of drumhead court-martials and vigilante justice. The return of corporal punishment is almost a sure thing, and the death penalty will be rendered for increasingly petty offenses. Few people will want to see corporal punishment rendered, only to have the convict return to take revenge.
I won’t spend my time worrying about criminal justice reform now. Like meth addicts who knew that meth was addicting before they tried it, few criminals didn’t know that what they did was illegal before they did it. I like the fact that my neighborhood is safer because bad people are given plenty of time to think about their behavior. At least they aren’t free to roam my neighborhood in the interim.
Your mileage may vary.
Most serious crimes in the U.S. are a result of addiction to either drugs or alcohol with mental health issues being the second largest cause. Most people who are addicts have a genetic predisposition to addiction and are very difficult to “cure” so even after serving time for their crimes when released they re-addict and again turn to crimes.
If you were to take any of those countries who brag about having a lower incarceration rate then us and gave them our same “diversity” and then flooded their country with drugs they would lose that bragging right overnight.
“Most people who are addicts have a genetic predisposition to addiction and are very difficult to ‘cure’ so even after serving time for their crimes when released they re-addict and again turn to crimes.”
Maybe. Then let the Darwin Test apply.
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
– Ayn Rand
Well, it is certainly easy enough to declare murderers, rapists, heroin dealers, and even welfare cheaters in prison.
Jail them all.
In order to save prison space in order to comply with orders from federal judges, California made many felonies mere misdemeanors. Now we are seeing the result with the rise in crime.
Build more prisons, not bullet trains to please Democratic politicians like Gerry Brown.
If we send welfare cheaters to prison, you will see many empty corporate boardrooms. Google “corporate welfare” for starters. Many cheaters are smiling, suit-wearing company men.
Carry on
I understand what you are saying about corporate boardrooms, but you are not saying that serious, long time welfare cheaters shouldn’t be sent to prison, are you?
No, Survivorman. I am saying that welfare cheats wearing three piece suits should face the same consequences, and jailtime, as someone from the ghetto. Alas, our system of corporate cronyism often protects those in the boardrooms. And, they cost us a lot more than the cheat on the street in Chicago.
Carry on
And a great thanks to your brothers in law enforcement who put people in jail for months that are innocent. Women like Dasha Fincher from Georgia who was jailed for 3 months because these brave police thought her bag of cotton candy was meth amphetamine. Maybe the 1983 title 42 settlement should paid out of the cops personal paychecks instead of taxpayer money to teach them some brains
Another enterprise abusing people is for profit mental health facilities. Last year my 5 yr old grandson ran out the door of multiple day cares. The short story is under threat of taking it to CPS his parents were cornered into taking him to an ER and his doctor ordered him to an MHF. Fortunately it was near us but over 100 miles from his parents so he had visitors during his evaluation/incarceration. His parents tried to get him released early like they were led to believe but couldn’t. This year the MHF group lost their license due to criminal charges including holding people longer than the law allowed among other things. There was absolutely no good reason to send a 5 year old there but laws make it easy and less hassle for doctors to do this and the MHF got their full billing for his stay. If there is a hint of a next time Grammy is taking her non gps vehicle and trailer on a bug out exercise.
A couple points:
a)
The mohammedans ‘remove’ a hand from an ACCUSED thief.
Weight of the allegation is based on the community standing of the accuser.
Weight of the defense is based on community standing of the accused.
If a mohammedan big-shot does a crime, the judges balance his community impact against the potential harm from a conviction.
If a poor mohammedan without political connections is accused, irregardless of conviction or guilt, he will probably lose a well-publicized hand to keep the rest of the little people in line.
If a mohammedan female is accused, the mohammedan males drag her to the nearest pile of stones.
Innocence or guilt is not a part of justice. It would reduce the power base.
No thanks.
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b)
In fUSA, every government agent judge receives a ‘kickback’ in the form of re-election based on “putting hardened criminals away!” and “keeping our community safe!”.
Every government agent prosecutor receives ‘kickbacks’ in the form of re-hiring based on convictions… their ‘convictions’ include plea bargains after the accused is faced with a “stack” of ancillary charges plus threats of forever in a penitentiary if the accused doesn’t accept the plea bargain.
The government agents known as ‘public defenders’ get re-appointed by the judges only if they convince the accused to accept the plea bargain.
Innocence or guilt cannot be a part of justice. It would reduce the profits.
I´d once a discussion with a man who served in the justice System, he told me going to court or pleading guilty has more to do if someone could afford the Price of the Trial than guilt or innocence
Okay. I will out myself. I was a prosecutor many years ago.
I once asked several public defenders what percentage of their clients were innocent.
Every last one of them said that 0% were innocent of all charges. The cops may have overcharged some of them, but they were all guilty of some of the charges.
Yep and judges like Mark Ciavarella who sold children for profit and just happen to get caught. And Massachusetts crime lab chemist Annie Dookhan who tampers with up to 40000 samples putting many innocent men in prison..gets a whopping 2 years for stealing thousands of years of life from these men. These are just the cases we hear about in the “just us” system. But there is great hope for America. In New Jersey for example, it appears that millions of gun owners disagree with a corrupt court system on their right to bear arms, by refusing to turn in mags over 10 rounds.
According to my friend who was our state’s chief public defender, that is true. The cost of going to trial is extreme for you and me.
Carry on
You can walk the streets in Mainland China at any time without fear. Something you can no longer do in most of the western world.
My wife is Chinese. That’s because they are a culture of strong family values. They have a billion more people with under a 10% divorce rate. They have no hospice care but the family members take care of the parents and grandparents. Children newly married live with parents until they can pay cash for a place. Women have no American women’s rights—or should I say women privilege card.
That’s why I’ve imported my wife in from China. I believe in no divorce and above all else a strong family value system. When American women demand so much , divorce so much (60-70% divorce rate), talk trash about her family on girls night out, sue corporations dry for gender equality and phone the police to incarcerate men it’s time to pull the ejection handle on American women as a prospect for a thriving and nurturing family.
Where’s there’s no family structure there’s high crime and ungodlyness. That’s why China and even Russia are in much better shape on the world stage.
Well said sir. That is why so many men are going MGTOW. When a man can be imprisoned for failing to pay alimony to a woman that cheated on him, why risk it?? And to think of what it must feel like being in the “system” whether it is judge, prosecutor or cop, and be willing to imprison good men “because I was just doing my job”.
I did that in a few cities in europe and never had a rational reason to fear except getting lost in the dark 1st of january in the morning.
I’d suggest two obvious but not mentioned to any great degree concerns. One, what if all these criminals end up on this side of those walls when things go hot and what if it was to make room for those who could not be reeducated? Something to give serious thought to…..
Most inmates, over 97%, end up on “this side of the wall”. There is a nationwide program, that started in northern New York state, called the Alternatives to Violence Project. Their purpose is to work with the incarcerated to help them in the words of one man, “Become human again”.
As the article states, many people are incarcerated for reasons having nothing to do with threat to you or me. To call them criminals is to play into the hands of those who want to keep us separate from each other. I know many formerly incarcerated men who are making significant contributions to my community.
To call them “criminals” is to ignore the words of our dear Jesus Christ, Matthew 23, verse 23: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Matthew 25:40-45 New International Version (NIV)
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Carry on
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It is very unsettling to see how many pro-incarceration posts appear here. No one is immune from running afoul of the law. Even those of us in the LEO community.
Our first step should be to work with our congress critters to remove 75% of the laws on the books so we can focus on the real issues.
Help me out. Give me a serious list of the laws you consider to be in the 75% to be removed from the books.
I should have addressed my question directly to Jake.
You can start by going and asking to read your township laws/ordinances on the books. See what applies to you and your area, and what doesn’t, or what ordinances infringe on your personal liberties. For starters, why should you be limited to 5 domestic animals on your residential property? Why should you have to get a permit from the township to build a fence on your own property?
Because you have neighbors!! I really don’t like your cats using my mulch for a bathroom. I don’t like your barking dog at night. I don’t like it when my neighbor walks their dog and it craps on my lawn. Geez, isn’t 5 cats and dogs enough already?