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The EU as a single entity seems doomed. They have not been able to get along and play nice for the past 5,000 years so why would they be able to do so now? The 20th century shows just how much divide there really is amongst the neighboring Nations and for those who have forgotten, the 20th century was yesterday.
The Five levels of Trust:
1. The government man says: Its raining outside. I can look out the window and verify. Trust level is good.
2. The government man says: its 35 degrees outside. I can use simple technology to verify, trust level is good.
3. The government man says: the temperature at 70,000 feet altitude is -42 degrees, I cannot verify without extremely expensive equipment, but others can, so I kind of trust this because someone else can verify it. Trust level is OK, at this point it does not affect me.
4. The government man says the temperature at 70,000 feet is too high and we must do something about it. There is no way for anybody to verify this, because no one knows what that temperature is “supposed to be” and there is no historical record or research possible for it going back hundreds or thousands of years for a “control” or “normal” to be established. Trust gone.
5. The government man says “I am taking some of your money, and restricting your activities to fix this problem in the upper atmosphere, and you are not allowed to question or dispute me” Trust in your ammo box, I trust it is full.
The Question Comes to mind, how much of this is wishful thinking of americans?
Since the EU existed, there has be no war between members and that means the longest time of Peace parts of Europe has known for 5000 Years
It is also the longest time of Peace between France and Germany for centuries and i personaly are very glad about this.
So for more or less, 30 years in a 5000 year period, you judge the EU as a success. Less than ½ of one percent. WOW. Apparently your measure of success varies quite a bit than mine.
What I will vehemently object to is if the US is drawn into another armed conflict for the sake of Germany/France/Europe. I really don’t care if the Europeans live in harmony or not.
We need to quit this forward deployment/force projection crap. We need to bring our troops home. Why do you think the euros and canadians embrace their socialist programs. The US provides for their defense and our bases/installations provide economic boosts for their countries. Essentially in a round about way, like all good socialists, they are spending someone else’s money (yours and mine).
More like 70 years and under this measure the time the USA existed peacefully in itself is how Long?
What you will vehemently object has never happened, not more than France and spain supported massively your Revolution for pure altruistic Motives.
Roosevelt called a high Price from Britain, and if the US hadn´t become a part of the war most likely the Sowjetunion would´ve conquered Europe
And as Torch proved, the USA is no longer safe behind the oceans
I would be very interested of what socialist Programms you speak, the economic significance of american bases in Germany is rather minor and of local importance at best and that is not counting the Money, land and Services Germany gives to the US troops and installations in Germany especially if These are used in Non NATO missions.
Re: “…”the economic significance of american bases in Germany is rather minor…” I beg to differ! The cost of Western Europe’s inherent security of living under a U.S. nuclear umbrella was borne by American taxpayers. The cost of 60+ years of nuclear weapons development and fielding (missiles, subs & bombers) was many hundreds of billions of dollars. And don’t forget 60+ years of our satellite reconnaissance program, that was requisite for effective targeting of our nukes. That cost an “undisclosed” (classified black budget) sum of money that can safely be assumed to be many more hundreds of billions of dollars. Remember: Every Dollar spent by the U.S. for the U.S. nuclear umbrella protecting Western Europe was a Dollar SAVED by those countries. They got the proverbial Free Ride, for six decades. Even neutral Sweden and Switzerland benefited, indirectly, from Pax Americana.
I meant the economic significance of the US bases for the german economy and much of the direct and indirect cost of These bases was borne by the german tax – Payers, even when These bases where used by the US for Non NATO Operations .
A colleague of mine was part of an Unit to guard US nuclear weapons on german soil, when he served in our army.
Some of These weapon programs were combined Programs from different Partners, the weapons where bought from the US(F 104) or n developed with own Programms.
After 9 .11 the Bundeswehr massively enforced the security of the US bases in Germany
Maastrict Treaty 1993. Look it up. 2019 – 1993 = 26 years.
Aside from the War between the States, there has never been a war on US soil. 2019 -1776 + 4 = 239 years. I will admit that the US government sticks its nose (where in my opinion it don’t belong) in other countries’ business and for much of those 240 years has been involved in foreign military actions. The US is not pure as the driven snow and your OP refers to the peace by and between Germany and France to which you attribute to the formation of the EU. My point is that 26 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
“Never happened…” American blood was not shed in WWI and WWII? Really? What are all of those cemeteries of US forces in Europe for? Decoration? American blood in my view is pretty valuable.
If USSR conquered Europe, so what. I think you Euros would actually like living in a socialist/communist environment.
A lot of Europeans have the attitude that they are doing the US a big favor by “hosting” our military installations on your soil.
Next statements like most of your writing is incoherent.
Germany spends less than 2% if its GDP towards its NATO obligation. Empty promise – taking advantage of a supposed ally. Germany’s military cannot scrape together a squadron of fighter jets, its ground forces are scavenging parts for its vehicles and well, I could on. The Marshal Plan that injected billions of US $ to rebuild Europe is not economically significant? What about American blood, is it not more significant than any “Money, land and Services Germany give the US…” Germany and France is expending millions of not billions on immigrant hand outs (this is not socialism?). I hope you embrace your new immigrant masters. Please don’t call US for help. I have much more respect and admiration for the former Warsaw Pact countries. Poland and Hungary come to mind – the preservation of their country and culture is much more vibrant than the German and French goal/attainment of “diversity.”
You should stop, the hole you are digging is getting deeper.
Aloha snackbar or whatever the Euro equivalent is. You will need to learn it.
I started with the ECSC which was the beginning of the development.
Your math is interesting, the ACW started IIRC 1861 and ended 1865 this is 143 Years
The US used and uses their Military bases in Europe massive for for Non NATO Operations and Campaigns, that means Germany subsidied These operations.
I didn´t meant that US soldiers, air and sea didn´t shed blood in europe not in the slightest, i meant the US didn´t do that for pure altruistic reasons.
Not any more than France and Spain send their soldiers in a war to support the American Revolution for altruistic reasons
We would like Living under communism-socialism as much or even less than you i believe, we´d a first class front seat to the iron curtain
IIRC the 2% GDP is due in 2024 and yes stupid conservative politics combined with the support of ISAF has hollowed out the Bundeswehr and Money is not their greatest Problem.
No that isn´t socialism and no we don´t embrace any Immigrant masters, not since my ancestors annihilated 3 Roman legions 2000 Years ago
German culture was for centuries much more diverse and spread out thanks to it´s political and geographical Situation.
You need to check your information,there have been numerous revolts and rebellions in the US(from Shaws Rebellion to the Pine Tree Reservation revolt). As for wars with foreign powers the War of 1812 the British destroyed Baltimore,marched inland and burned WashingtonDC,also tried to take New Orleans but were defeated.
Guys, yes, the EU owes much to the USA, but the EU stability is temporary. Western Leadership willingly opened the gates for the ME horde to flood Europe [again]. It’s done. Stop arguing and start praying for the next European generation.
> It is also the longest time of Peace between France and Germany for centuries and i personaly are very glad about this.
Agreed. The EU has been a great improvement on what preceded it. Brexit will either tear apart the union, or make it stronger than ever. Time will tell.
Regarding drones for surveillance: I’ve been thinking for some time that a drone would be an excellent tool to use as an advance guard while bugging out. The passenger/navigator/drone operator in the bug out vehicle would fly the drone about a half mile ahead to gain advance warning of road blocks or other threats. Once the drone is retrieved, the group would then reverse course and take an alternate route around the threat without having to confront it and without revealing anything about party size, makeup, assets, etc. The most limiting factor with most drones is the flight time. With the need to frequently swap and charge batteries, this would be a strategy for areas where forward observation is severely limited, such as narrow highways in hilly woodlands.
The big Chinese drone mfgr has adopted a very Orwellian program to manage how you use “your” drone. It’s very common to hear stories from people unable to operate because they are within miles of critical infrastructure. To cut to the chase, build your own.