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  1. How does Betadine get from the outside of your body into your thyroid gland? I have been a doctor for 40 years and never heard this. I am always anxious to learn new things. Is there a reputable source for this. How do your figure the dose? Your article is very good in every other respect . If this is true Betadine would be a very convenient source of thyroid protection.

    1. This is just a guess, but but anything put on your skin is absorbed directly into your bloodstream. I was poisoned once by spilling polyurethane onto my pants. I dried it up as best I could and continued to wear the pants while working. That evening the room was spinning. I realized something was very wrong and figured out it was the poly patch I had worn all day. From then on I realized anything you put on your skin goes internal. Think, makeup, sunscreen, deet, etc. if I won’t put it in my mouth, I won’t put it on my skin.

      2. False, otherwise a person would die after swimming in salt water. “Anything” that touches skin is not “directly absorbed into your bloodstream”. SOME chemicals are, most are not.

      3. Survivor man and Warren, I was a HazMat Tech for many years and there was a reason we wore Haz Mat suits. The outside layer of our skin has a layer of flattened dead skin cells surrounded by water-repelling lipids, this is why we don’t swell up like a sponge every time we take a bath or die while swimming in salt water. Many medicines are delivered through the skin in patch form, ointments, and gels, and are quite effective at delivering chemicals into our bodies. Personal care products can also be absorbed, take aluminum based antiperspirants and many sun screen products; not to mention DEET. Dermal absorption does vary depending on parts of the body exposed though.
        Hope this takes some of the worrisome ness out of my statement. This is also why many pools are switching from Chlorine and Bromine to the less toxic salt water pools.

    2. Doctor Larry: I am not a doctore, but I have seen actors portray doctors on TV.

      I have heard the same assertion about iodine topical application for thyroid loading, and didn’t heed it. But you’ve got me wondering.

      There is this link I found after digesting your posting here. I read the article, and given that you are an actual professional, would appreciate your comment here for our further edification.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16029128

      “Transcutaneous iodine absorption in adult patients….”

      In addition, some prepper fiction uses povidine capsules taken from a first aid kit that are opened and dumped into canteens for water purification. I’d be interested in hearing discussion of any impacts from that, from anyone caring to share.

      God Bless, and Joyous New year

    3. These 2 articles verify the effectiveness of using topical povidone iodine (betadine) to prevent uptake of radioactive iodine. Topical tincture of iodine also is effective. Regular consumption of seaweed or iodine via Lugol’s solution can also help. Do your research for doses of any non-topical iodine intake.

      Health Physics Vol. 49, No.5 (November), pp. 791-794, 1985
      SKIN EXPOSURE TO I•BLOCKS THYROID UPTAKE OF 131I*
      KENNETH L. MILLER, WILLIAM J. WHITE, C. MAX LANG and WILLIAM A. WEIDNER
      Departments of Radiology and Comparative Medicine, The Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, The Pennsylvania State University, Hershey, PA 17033
      Abstract-Radioisotopes ofl pose an important health risk to man in nuclear accidents associated with electric power generation due to their uptake by the thyroid glands. Topical application of tincture of I or povidone-iodine to the skin of rats has been found to be as effective as oral administration of potassium iodide in blocking thyroid uptake of parenterally administered 131 1. If the same effectiveness can be demonstrated in humans, this may be an attractive alternative method of mass protection from radioisotopes of I following nuclear accidents.

      Health Physics Vol. 55, No. I (July), pp. 9-13, 1988
      THE EFFECTS OF TOPICAL POVIDONE I SOLUTION ON SERUM
      IODIDE LEVELS AND THYROID UPTAKE OF 1311 IN DOGS
      Kathleen D. Moody, Kenneth L. Miller, William J. White,
      W. Jeffrey Hurst and C. Max Lang
      Departments of Comparative Medicine and Radiology, The Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, The Pennsylvania State University, Hershey, PA 17033
      Abstract-Topical application of povidone I solution in dogs has been found to be effective in producing significant elevations in serum iodide concentrations within 2 h after application. Among dogs treated with this preparation 2 h before oral administration of 1311, significant thyroid blocking persisted for at least 72 h.

      1. Ki is the preferred method to saturate the thyroid, however I did mention the use of topical application for those with thyroid conditions. Below are some links. I am looking for my hard copy but I believe it already got packed up and moved to the BOL. I will try to remember to look for it when I go out next and scan it.

        http://www.physiciansforcivildefense.org/cdp/V06_05.htm

        Miller, K, Coen, P, White, W, Hurst, J, Achey, B, and Lang, M “Effectiveness of skin Absorption of Tincture of I in Blocking Radioiodine from the Human Thyroid Gland. Health Physics 56 (6): 911-914, 1989.

    1. What is it that you’re “just saying” with these links?

      A picture, like a map or a graph, has elements of deception and power to it. A picture is framed in a particular way that attempts to dictate what the person viewing that picture sees. We must also include and consider what is not framed in a picture, because when we do, the picture becomes more clear. This is what critical thinking is, and 3ADscout is doing a great job of that with this series of articles.

      Looking forward to tomorrow’s article!

  3. Most of what I’ve read says that because cancer of the thyroid is so long developing, doses of potassium iodide are essentially wasted on middle aged people or older and should be saved for children. Any thoughts?
    I much appreciate this series of articles.

    1. Yes. Older people are less susceptible to radiation induced cancer due to slower speed of cell division. They probably also drink less milk where radioactive iodine accumulates. More info:
      https://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/chernobyl/backgrounder/en/
      A large increase in the incidence of thyroid cancer has occurred among people who were young children and adolescents at the time of the accident and lived in the most contaminated areas of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Radioactive iodine was deposited in pastures eaten by cows who then concentrated it in their milk which was subsequently drunk by children. This was further exacerbated by a general iodine deficiency in the local diet causing more of the radioactive iodine to be accumulated in the thyroid. Since radioactive iodine is short lived, if people had stopped giving locally supplied contaminated milk to children for a few months following the accident, it is likely that most of the increase in radiation-induced thyroid cancer would not have resulted.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17525478/
      The youngest children are most sensitive to radiation-induced carcinogenesis, and the minimal latent period for thyroid cancer development after exposure is as short as 4 yr.

    2. Yes the common research does point to that conclusion. If I didn’t have enough for the whole family, my kids they would certainly be the ones to get it. Also Ki can have rough effects on the elderly.

  4. Was in USAF in 1950’s and was on crew that was tasked to arm second strike aircraft from alternative bases, ie, former WW2 bases and civilian airfields, and we were taught that the big danger in the short run, was to treat the fallout like a toxic dust. 30 ren might not kill you, or even 100, but if you inhaled any fallout, then you would have direct contact with your lung tissue, alpha, beta, and gamma, damage, and a good possibility of major problems. Once the gamma ray burst, heat, and pressure wave pass, couple minutes max, you are dealing with physical objects that are contaminated and the secondary effects of that contamination While the protection from fallout and shelter is always the topic discussed, I have never understood the failure to address the problem of ingestion.

  6. Interesting, all metal will be contaminated, or was contaminated in previous blasts, including jewelry, stainless steel for knives forks spoons, aluminum and steel pots and pans. When all the trees die from radiation poisoning and you try to burn them to keep yourself warm you will be inhaling the smoke toxins, any cow, goat or breast milk will be contaminated, possibly a double walled cargo container filled with burnable fuel, metal shielded seeds and water, and a large supply of sacked garden soil would be a lifesaver. Personally I’d rather see the bright light and then Jesus. What comes after would be too horrible to contemplate.

    1. Metal will be contaminated only if it has nuclear fallout particles on it. The x-ray table in a doctor’s office is not contaminated by the radiation used to produce x-rays.

      1. Contaminated metal can be washed off. Neutrons are emitted in the initial explosion and can activate or make radioactive some metal atoms. These atoms will remain radioactive for a time determined by its half life. Distance and humidity will greatly decrease its effect.

        1. Yes, contaminated metal can be washed off, as should everything possible on which fallout lands. Thus the reason for decontamination shower units.

          Tell me if I am wrong, but I suspect that any metal that becomes radioactive due to the initial explosion, if that happens, would be so close to the epicenter as to be a No Man’s Land that no one could enter (due to the high level of radioactive contamination in general) and survive in the period following an explosion.

    2. Ozzy Man,

      “Time is the only foe we have” – Thank God for the Bomb

      I think what everyone forgets is that we are exposed to radiation all the time and it has impacted the DNA of living things for years. Low doses over a long period are bad for DNA but probably won’t kill you, unlike a high dose over a quick time. We have all probably consumed something water or food that has elevated levels of radiation from Chernobyl and/or Fukushima. Again we all aren’t dropping dead. One of the principals of radiation protection is ALARA- or As Low As reasonably Achievable. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be exposed to ANY radiation. Would I have sacks of garden soil stocked no, might I tarp my raised beds yes.

  7. Sorry to post twice here, but the article here discusses modern home construction, as affecting durability. One thing experienced firefighters know is the propensity for modern roof trusses to fall to pieces when heat from fires is applied to them. The stamped-in metal pieces holding the two-bys together get hot and pop right off and roofs collapse, so firefighters are very reluctant to go on those roofs. Insurance companies seem to know about the modern truss construction too.

    Gussets are the way to build trusses. One of our buildings had gussets (sawn triangles of plywood cut and formed to overlap each place where three pieces of the truss came together), on each side of the junction, effectively sandwiching each junction between them and then each gusset was nailed onto each piece of truss. Likewise at each junction where the truss rafter joined the collar tie.

    There were hundreds of gussets in our 24 by 32 foot garage. That roof was practically hurricane proof. It was built by the owner who cared. The little metal stamped in pieces on commercial trusses are emplaced by guys who get their check and go home, paid by companies who need to make a profit to survive.

    What’s holding your roof together?

    1. One option would be for an able-bodied home owner to pattern and cut his own 3/4″ plywood gusset plates and glue/screw them to the truss intersections that are already held together by the prefab metal gusset plates. A method of reinforcement that might be worthwhile for the roof system. However, that does not solve the problem of typical builder houses using 2×4 or 2×6 studs and OSB sheathing. There are much better ways to build residences than the century old construction methods still being employed.

  8. New American Standard Bible
    “Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

  9. Reading these two articles I can’t help but think how most of the population stands no chance. They don’t have the knowledge or the resources (including the finances) to construct for themselves any realistic protection in anticipation of a nuke strike. OTOH, those idiots who caused such destruction are likely to be safely tucked away in a professionally designed and well stocked shelter paid for by those having no protection. Typical when considering the self-serving politicians and bureaucrats we suffer from.

  10. I highly recommend reading Nuclear War Survival Skills to really get a good background on this topic. The use of liquid iodine is discussed, as I remember, but not all iodine is the same. It’s in the book.

    Also, anywhere in the U.S. could be exposed to fallout depending on targets and upper level wind patterns. As such, a good HIGH RANGE fallout meter is essential. The CDV 700 is the meter that will be useless as it measures only up to 50 milliRoentgens and will saturate at one one Roentgen and give a false low reading. It was designed for in-shelter decontamination and training. It’s also possible that in-shelter dose rates will be above one Roentgen an hour hence making the CDV-700 of little use until fallout rates decline. A recently calibrated CDV 715 or similar high range survey meter is what is needed. (In my past life as a first responder I served as my county’s radiological defense officer for a number of years).

    1. The nuclear bomb test that went wrong in Utah in the 1950’s dropped radiation onto Troy, NY.

      I agree about needing both kinds of meters, no matter where you live.

  11. Les your comments are spot on. It a function of one’s wealth and ability to work far away from cities that can afford a fallout/ survival shelter.

    Most people work in cities for the obvious reason, it’s where they find work. And these people represent 3/4 of Americans if not more.

    Also, let’s examine the scope of an attack. Russia has over 7,000 warheads and if they used just 1000 of them, how much would be left of the US? And if it is an all out nuclear war, Russia might use 3,500 nukes.

    I think people will die not of radiation but by the actual blast and than lack of food.

  12. on the up side…. iodine 131 has a half life of about 8 days. which means after about 2 months, it should no longer be a major concern.
    now cesium137, with a 30 year half life…..

  13. A CD-715 high radiation meter is most critical in the first hours or days to determine the safest areas or to build up areas that need to be, but will become much less usable as radiation subsides. The CD-700 low radiation Geiger counter is not useful initially except to check new entrants for contamination, but becomes increasingly useful to check for low levels on food cans, etc.
    Get 1 or 2 CD-715’s first as they are absolutely necessary initially. And they are cheap – $25-$50 each but they can go bad so a backup is good. One CD-700 should be enough. One dosimeter charger and a few dosimeters should complete your package.

  14. So, essentially; an enemy who desires to really create havoc – merely waits two weeks after his initial nuclear shots; then re-directs his fire at areas already hit, in order to cause those who prepped for a two week shelter emplacement to be forced to stay below even longer. Using up storage foods and misc. supplies by even the well-prepared folks. Deliberate evil is what you must expect, plus random as well. No enemy troops will arrive in your A.O. for months, if not years – it is the destruction of America desired, not her surrender. יהוה tells us to “fear not” because He is with us. Even though we shall die, we shall Praise His Name!

  15. I don’t expect our enemies to ever nuke us simply because of the fact that they too would be in danger when they decided to land their troops on our shores. An EMP would be their weapon of choice. At least I hope so.

  16. I would agree that an EMP would be the cheapest, and most effecient way of taking out the U.S. and would a first cause the most confusion among the people. The die off would soon occur, through the lack of communications, (transportation, mail, Ups, etc). People like me who depend on meds to keep us alive or at least comfortable would die off fairly quickly. In a way it would be merciful.
    It is interesting though, that even the great knowledge, and preparations many of us make, we may not be around to enjoy the fruits of our preps anyway. I praise the Lord that what I have set aside will be useful to my family and friends. Hopefully not to my enemies.
    The best things we have to offer of our lives may be the fore thought we put into prepping not for ourselves, but for our family and friends. We can only hope they will use those preparations wisely. Hopefully those we leave behind will receive the gift of our knowledge before our demise.
    Blessings to His Kids.

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