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1. There are some good quality compact bicycles that fold up into a small package available. They will easily fit into the trunk or cargo area of smaller vehicles along with luggage. You can search on Amazon for folding bikes to see different models available. The better ones cost $500 -$600 but there are some for well under $300 if you are on a tight budget. That 800 mile trip home could easily be cut down to about 2-3 weeks weeks on a bike assuming decent conditions. Yes you are going to burn calories but I can carry a two week high calorie food supply (although I’ll still be very hungry!). There are a few manufacturers that also make light weight folding trailers usable for these bikes. Anyway if you are a frequent road traveler and concerned about a grid down national emergency it might be a good option to have one of these to keep in your trunk on longer trips. Quality of components on the bike is key as is setting it up to ride comfortably with a quality seat, tires and perhaps upgrading a few items.

   I am under no illusions about how difficult it would be to make it home under such circumstances but I also assign a very low risk factor to an EMP or solar event strong enough to disable autos.

   I don’t make these comments lightly. Until last year I traveled frequently and for several years often lived up to 2,000 miles from home or traveled overseas. I’m the guy that was sometimes asked “why do you have an extra suitcase when we’ll only be onsite for a few days?”. I did a lot of contingency planning and slept sounder for it, knowing I at least had a good shot of getting home to my wife and four kids.

2. Bridges to check before roads could be the railway bridges. Most of the time when I travel, I check out the tracks and would probably follow them before a road if they are available.

3. On bikes, remember bikes are “dog magnets ”
   In a post apocalyptic world dogs will be roaming around looking for food and they love to chase wheels also. Get a handgun and learn to use it!
   One vet told me that if the balloon went up that domestic animals would be a big threat to deal with, large packs of dogs would form to pull down cows. They would do the same to humans, these are the dogs we have next to us right now. When we run out of food , they have already been let out to find their food. You.

   1. WW, In a post apocalyptic event dogs will be food. Don’t believe me, ask someone who has arrived from Venezuela recently.

      1. When I was in Bosnia in the 90s, the packs of dogs were so large that they were eating game, wild boar, bears, people, and cadavers. A slow onslaught of disaster puts pets into the food category, as in Venezuela. A fast onslaught of disaster allows dogs an advantage to ‘pack-up’ and become dangerous. The US Army eventually poisoned several large dog packs. Don’t underestimate a large pack of sizeable and hungry dogs, they have already eliminated the weaker and more docile animals in their pack, and the remaining dogs retain good hunting and attacking instincts.

4. Would you recommend carrying a foam pad to use as a light weight sleeping pad and as a floater to cross water by avoiding bridges?

5. I’ve spent a good bit of time rucking for the .mil and backpacking for fun, and the idea of hiking for 900 miles without reliable resupply seems dubious at best. It seems like your best option is to make a “B-line” for the nearest Walmart etc and buy a bike and a few tubes etc. Beg/barter/etc. So having a good bit of cash on you seems very important. There’s almost nothing I wouldn’t give for a bike in that situation since that is honestly the only thing that would give you a (semi) reasonable chance.

   1. Thank-you Jay for your post. With those miles ahead of you, you best have resupply by four wheeler or other OR best be a good scrounger to keep the calories coming in. A good gun to have in this scenario to fend off or harvest a few curs(dogs) would be a decent .22. Save the better ammo for the two legged curmudgeons.

6. I’m going to say some things that might offend some people, but then again, I have never been known to be politically correct. I have much respect for the VC (Viet Cong)… they could travel for weeks with a few pounds of rice! No that wasn’t all they ate but is was the “staple” they would add what ever was available in the way of protein, insects, snakes, lizards, Oh what a delight if they found a dog!! From the scenario presented in this piece I do not think dogs will in wild packs chasing down humans for food withing a few weeks. The first thing they are going to eat are the weaker of their species and all the other domestic animals that will be running loose. Little Phee Phee, the pet cat, or rabbit are in BIG trouble, not only from dogs but humans as well.

7. Peddle Bikes…. I lost my love affair with bicycles in the early 90’s when i rode one 300 miles to quit smoking. At the end of my miserable 2 week ride to Boise Idaho i thru the whole lot in a dumpster and took a bus back home. I swore off smoking, bicycles and changing inner tubes in tires.

   1. Going from sedentary smoker to non-smoking long distance cyclist in one outing was the foundation of your failure.

8. LO, But I bet you this day you know how to change a tub on the rim
   LOL

   1. I can do it almost on the fly, eyes closed, one hand tied behind my back

9. Couple of clothing items you’re going to want that you didn’t mention: Poncho or similar rain gear, hat (you’re really going to need one if you’re out in the sun all day). Something to insulate you from ground at night, even a cheap yoga mat is needed, or you’ll lose heat to the ground and risk hypothermia. You can’t count on finding cardboard, like a homeless guy. You don’t mention a water filter, and nothing will stop your trip faster than uncontrolled runs.

10. I traveled a lot over the USA and other countries. Getting home was always on my mind.
    Most domestic dogs will starve to death. The ones that survive will breed to create a Feral dog that will survive in greater numbers. They are the ones to watch out for. They are going back to being Coy dogs that are shy and probably not a problem to humans to being like wolves that will be a problem. This is going to take a few years for the dogs to go Feral. Its a future post SHTF problem. If you are north of your destination you might be able to go by rivers. The bigger rivers like the Illinois, Ohio and Mississippi, if you were in the middle of the river at night navigating by the stars and moonlight you would probably be hard to see in a grid down scenario, especially after ninety percent of the population was dead. These rivers are wider than you realize and seeing something floating down it at night is going to be hard to do. If you had a big enough pontoon boat, you could probably take your food, water supplies, horse, pull cart, and a bike. Its going to be a long float trip. A motor of some sort would be nice to use when absolutely necessary. You might be able to speed things up a bit with a small sail as long as it could not be seen, even at night. This is a one way trip until you can build a steam engine or a wood gas powered engine, so be sure this is the direction you want to go. Going back from where you started is by other means of locomotion. Like I said before, I would not want to make a trip like this until I knew that most of the population was dead. A lot of rivers go past major metropolitan areas.

11. I used to do a few fundraising charity rides each year. One is a American Cancer Society ride that is 65 miles.
    The other is an MS society ride that is 100 miles.
    I never rode at all during the year and borrowed a bike each time. I was in good shape from running – but did zero biking during the year.
    We carried about 3 liters of water, and a bunch of snacks to last the day – did both rides easily on mostly flat terrain. I’m hear to tell you that if you are in reasonable shape – that is you can run 5 miles at a 9-10 minute per mile pace – you can most certainly ride 100 miles in a day on mostly flat terrain. I was sore – but not overly so. Doing back to back days will be hard – but in an extreme emergency – it certainly can be done.
    JWR likes to say, “panic now and avoid the rush”.
    I’m hear to tell you – go run/jog as far as you can without getting hurt. Then do it again 2 days later. Keep it up.

12. I like your idea to recruit a traveling companion; two would be better. I have read accounts of concentration camp survivors who report that teams of three were most successful. One would rest for eight hours while one would work to get food for eight hours, while one would guard the sleeper, the worker, and the accumulated supplies for eight hours. This breaks down nicely into three eight hour shifts in a 24 hour day. It would seem to me that the best time and place to select traveling companions would be from the traffic jam around you within about an hour or maybe two. This might be the window of opportunity when people are beginning to realize what happened, are considering their options, but just before most begin to panic and go crazy! At some point there might be an opportunity to avoid all or part of a difficult and dangerous 45 day hike. Antique vehicles, older farm tractors with wagons, some lawn mowers, various motorcycles and off road vehicles will still be operational. You might even find helpful volunteers or entrepreneurs willing to give rides. I’m guessing that some silver and gold coins or gold jewelry would help a lot. During World War II gold coins were included in pilot’s and air crew’s survival kits; lives were saved by a little bit of gold!

13. I used to eat, sleep, and dream how I would get out of southern California in a grid down WROL situation. Fat chance. I decided to move to the American Redoubt instead. That was a good move.

    However, I still fly to SoCal to visit family who have refused/are unable to leave. 1,200 miles is a Loooonnngg walk back, so I have just decided to leave it up to God on those two trips per year.

    But for shorter local trips of 100 miles, I always have my get home day pack in the car. Walking shoes/boots/YakTrax ice cleats appropriate to the season, coat/hat/gloves/socks appropriate to the season, gallon of water, Glock and ammo, .mil sleeping bag, foil emergency blanket type sleeping bag for liner, booney hat, cotton kerchief, folding knife, pro bars and bison jerky, life straw water purifier, compass, detailed road and trail maps, bug spray, bear spray, flashlight, LED headlamp. In the absence of a major snow storm, and carrying only about 20 lbs., I can cover 25 miles/day.

    I recently read a book called Going Home by A. American. One major flaw in the book, I felt, was how long it took him to get going. The presumed EMP hit in the afternoon and he waited in the car until the following day to begin his walk home. Then he spent quite a while in a convenience store off the interstate buying pretzels and candy bars and visiting with folks in the parking lot. It basically took him 24 hours to really get on his way. In my opinion, if you can’t get your act together to book it toward home within about a half hour, you have just lost a huge advantage. Rapid assessment of the situation, make your plan, implement asap, is critical to get ahead of the horde.

14. Even though you are a water world guy and I’m a desert rat, this is a superb article. A couple of comments if I may:

    Maps are certainly useful for providing a high level understanding, but even USGS and BLM maps don’t tell you much (if anything) about trails. An alternative is to pre-store satellite images of your route on your smart phone or GPS unit. No map will tell you where there are buildings, but a satellite image will reveal whether that building is occupied or abandoned. Similarly, maps may reveal the location of a well, but you have no idea whether it is dry. A satellite image may show that there is a small pond where cattle go for water.

    My principal travel activities involve multiple 150 mile round trips to a city several times a week, so I am not preparing for a 900 mile get home expedition. Nevertheless, I do know where I can get water and the areas that I need to avoid on my route home. My GHB is always stocked with sufficient emergency food to suffice for several days. In the SW desert, water is always going to be the primary issue.

15. I’m not sure I’d attempt the trip. 900 miles? Two hundred, maybe, depends. If I found myself on vacation with friends and the wife in Florida, and it went south immediately, I’d likely just hunker down there. The odds of dieing on the trip are very high. I picture myself and the wife making a huge decision…sit tight in this controlled environment, using initial time to shape things up. Or, starting that trip on foot or bike given the risks so high, becomes a non starter for me.

    I’d like to be with the kids and all, but, I’d be fine seeing em in the here after, once it all shakes out. Got a big big family, many of you here are in it. God bless

    Been enjoying the comments greatly on all three posts, as well as the posts.

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