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1. Great job, thanks.

   Putting together an ad hoc group that hasn’t trained together AFTER the fact will be suicide. Great for fiction stories, not for real life. Last year at one of the FOF tactics classes I attended, we had that exact situation come up- a team of all experienced folks that were used to running together versus a gaggle of us thrown together with varying experiences levels. Even with 2-3 experienced folks in that 2nd group, we got rolled up about 3/4 of the time. And their won’t be a 2nd chance in real life.

   It’s important that preppers learn to move beyond the typical 1 CCW class and 1 Appleseed shoot that seems to be the training norm for most preppers. You need a LOT more than just that.

2. The loan sniper on the porch has been the mentality of many, I’m glad you came to your conclusion of this being a team endeavor. Building that team is the hard part. It’s starts by building trust in relationships, then goes from there. Well written and well thought out article David.

3. The training and skill levels demanded increase geometricly from fire team,to squad,to platoon level tactics and above and are almost impossible to accomplish outside the military/paramilitary with demand on time and expertise.

4. I agree with you; I’m the only one in my family who’s concerned with prepping.

   Please read the biography of Jack Hinson, another amazing Tennessean rarely mentioned in history books.

5. Excellent explanation David!

   Hopefully everyone who reads this will give the consideration it deserves.

   This can truly save your families lives.

6. Good article. I hope this a wake up to all that read. You can purchase alot of gear, store up alot of consumables, read alot of books. Tactical training will give you a chance to put book info into action. You’ll be able to gauge your fitness level. You’ll be able to flesh out your gear. You’ll be able to run your rifle. Most of all you’ll be able to be honest with yourself. I traveled to Idaho this spring for MVT class. I met David and have attended several MVT classes over the past 3 years. Max is a first rate instructor, someone who has experienced much in hot spots around the globe and now shares his knowledge.

7. Another thing that comes to my mind is mindset. While tactical training does not specifically prepare you for all skills needed to survive even a couple of nights in the wilderness should your car break down in the middle of nowhere, it does foster mental agility and resiliency that is oft lacking in the modern population. It gets you in the mindset that you are responsible for yourself and those around you.

   One of my favorite quotes from Herbert McBride in A Rifleman Went to War is:

   “When you have a good Rifleman you have a man who is confident of his ability to take care of himself: the quality pertains not to the rifle, but to himself; so you have a man who can quickly be turned to doing anything.”

8. While I don’t disagree with team training, one point that was made was that law enforcement and the government personal will be busy protecting their own families. So who are we training to resist? I doubt that roaming gangs or refugees from the cities are going to have any training what so ever. So any group with any team work no matter how small will have just as good a chance of survival as the next. Few people have the time or money to take a MVT course, and unless get a whole group to take it together, it will still just be a pick-up crew. Trekker Out

   1. By the time they make it out of the city, to where you are, they have gotten their training. Add ex-military or ex-police training to a group of post shtf looter gangs, that have already fought their way to where you are, and you will have a surprise. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-15/3-examples-show-how-common-core-destroying-math-education-america

9. I do it because the discipline and thinking processes carry over to my everyday life. I do it because the fitness required is healthy for me and that means I can work to support and/or protect my family. The bonus is that I have built skill at arms, practiced in a realistic environment and along the way have met some fantastic people from all walks of life that I already have something in common with.

10. David this is an excellent explanation of why to train and like you I have found that I have to be the adult in the room to push the issue with friends and family that it is not just good to have the beans, bullets and Band-Aids but the ability to protect the supplies but more importantly family members.

    Mountain Trekker asks a valid question, “who are we training to resist”, well I’m sure many of the refugees won’t have the training but they may have the numbers. As for the gangs well they have the violent tendencies and ruthlessness that law abiding citizens do not and they have the organization and leadership that will overwhelm the unprepared and they will not hesitate to kill you and take all your stuff.

    Yes, training costs money and time but no training cost lives – my families lives are worth the expense.

11. Great job and thanks for posting David! The points you bring up are spot on.

    The solid top notch training that we are investing in through MVT is well worth the time and money hands down.

12. Exactly how many roaming gangs of refugees from the cities have you seen before?

    As I saw in Kosovo and Somalia, the roaming gangs were exactly that, gangs. Gangs that existed before hostilities started and they only got better after hostilities. There are plenty of gangs (or groups/clubs/social organizations/ political protesters, etc) that are already in existence here. Some of which have prior service members in them.

    They have something we lack, a sense of identity and a shared purpose.

    All quality training is good. You may not think that small team tactics in the hills of West Virginia are relevant, but what happens when a crazed person decides to shoot up your favorite mall that you happen to be in. (That would never happen in America of course.)

    Then you realize the time you spent learning how to react to contact and take cover was time well spent.

    Personally I would rather train and not need it than need it and not have been trained.

13. MVT Training is all well and good but there are many of us long in the tooth and no longer can do what we did 45 or more years ago. I’m a Vietnam Veteran and former Army paratrooper who’s knees are shot with arthritis and can no longer walk with out the aid of half crutches. I can no longer shoot and scoot. This said what training, other than twice monthly at the range, communication, first aid, farming (raising rabbits, chickens, gardening and preserving what I grow and raise) would a handicapped person gain from a Visit to MVT.

    1. OldAlaskan

       Not everyone needs to be in a front line security role. Sounds like you bring plenty of other skills to the table. Everyone has something to bring to the table whether it be physical or mental. But the physically capable individual should seriously consider the training.

14. Thanks for the article. Much to consider here. In terms of how quickly people can devolve I suggest watching American Experience: Blackout. It details the 1977 NYC power outage. In less than 10 minutes the looting had begun. This details one of the short comings of many people’s thinking. Many think you have 2-3 days before people start to panic after say a power outage. That may apply to some people, others are looking for the first chance to take what is not theirs. BTW, that was 40 years ago when this happened. Societies veneer is much thinner now.

15. I like this article and believe the author has it spot on. However the portion where law enforcement is going deteriorate and fend for their own families just isn’t what my family believes. Look around the world, even in Africa or venezuela, where there are communities without a law enforcement presence to police an area upon being called? The clincher is reading our Bible in the Book of Revelation. Right up to the last leader on Earth, the antichrist, he will have at his disposal a massive military and police force such the world has never known. Sorry but the enemy will be a police force and most likely foreign and indoctrinatioed to do harm to your family in the name of governmental mandates or more commonly colored as social justice. There will be levels of harassment first. From the IRS, Homeland Security, Child Protection Agencies, local and state level sheriffs and a bandwidth of tracking and policing to keep surveillance on every Subject of the state. Of course this is done for the common good of the people. Folks, there will be no “Opps the grid is down – law enforcement all turned in their badges and the government turned a blind eye to our circumstance. Fend for ourselves!” Wrong. Look at hurricane Katrina and how fast was the pmilitary and police in there. I hope and pray you can keep your “life” private from Big Brother surveillance. They will come knocking out of concern for the common good of all people “We heard some reports:”. Stay vigilant. God bless.

16. JH Brown Shirts were police. There will always be those who gravitate towards power over people. These will not be peace officers, but law enforcement officers; they will be enforcing bad law.

17. LOL …..what about the other 6.7 billion people on the planet who DONT live or cannot afford the training?, MVT is awsome if your mainland USA, I assure you, those of us outside CONTUS, do NOT sit on their duff doing nothing.

18. Good article! I’ve been out of the army now for over 13 years now, and you are preaching to the choir. Training sucks, but you have to learn to embrace the suck. Dry firing, moving and bounding with others takes a lot of hours of practice, and then add in conducting it at night!!! Woe, lots more practice. I have not been able to get close to any one around here that would be interested into preparing, training, etc… If you ever get close to people and are best of friends, cherish them. A man is truly blessed if he has more than 2-3 best friends in this life. GOD bless you all, until CHRIST returns, keep tng!

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