More Poll Responses Re: Best Places for Retreats in the Eastern U.S. and Overseas?

Dear Jim:
Glad you are open to suggestions from those of us East of the Mississippi. For those who are unfamiliar, a great starting point of identifying the places to be and not to be in your state is the work of Bruce Beach and, as recently noted of SurvivalBlog, be sure to see some more recent maps by the folks at SurvivalRing and then consider wind patterns in your area, and the jet stream. Just remember to consider: major military targets, state or federal government centers, nuclear power plants, large power plants and electric generating dams, or any key parts of the electrical grid, and large population and industrial centers. After considering targets for nuclear attack or terrorism, you must then identify the natural threats to that local area – floods from rivers, flash flood, dam breaking, hurricane, tornado, earth quake, volcanoes and volcanic fall out (Yellowstone), tsunami, avalanche, mud slide, cave in/sink hole, forest fire, brush fire, whatever. Take Wisconsin for instance, the two best areas to be generally are probably the extreme Southwest corner of the state and extreme Northeast corner. In the Southeast corner, besides tornadoes, one must be concerned of the Mississippi or Wisconsin Rivers backup up/overflowing beyond the 100 year flood plains, thus you do not want to be down low in the valleys. In the Northeast – it is far more forested, so forest fires would be a concern. There are many other spots in the state that are good also, you just need to think through the good and bad points for each.- Rourke

 

 

Jim,
Some views from a UK perspective: A few years ago I and my family used to live on the outskirts of London. Being aware of the need to be out and away from London and other major cities we looked at what other parts of the UK had to offer.
We considered the low population areas like Scotland but decided against this as among other things it has a relatively short growing season and winters can be harsh.
I asked a colleague of mine what he thought of South West England where he lived. This is his reply.
DEVON & SOMERSET ( A SURVIVALISTS PERSPECTIVE )
This area usually conjures up images of quaint seaside towns & picture postcard villages and this image has helped to establish the area as one of the most popular holiday destinations in the United Kingdom. I have left out Cornwall on purpose as I believe that if you are looking for a retreat and going to move you may as well consider all problems including things like tsunami and even nuclear power stations that may be in the area you are looking at.
The purpose of this article is to establish the area credentials as a survivalists retreat or permanent location.
While the area is a popular holiday destination, most of the visitors tend to be concentrated in certain areas; away from these “holiday hotspots” there are some very suitable properties, in equally suitable terrain.
The following sections detail reasons for the areas suitability:
CLIMATE
The West country ‘s climate is well known for being mild, our winters are not particularly cold and the growing season starts early (the first daffodils & strawberries, produced in the UK, that go on sale, are grown here). You can sometimes even to get in two seasons.
Palm trees growing in gardens is a common sight and with the advent of global warming the marine life is beginning to change, with some Mediterranean species now being encountered off our coastline.
The weather can be very wet at times, the winter is now bringing flooding to some of our rivers quite regularly and this must be remembered when choosing a location. On a positive note, this also keeps our reservoirs full.
GROUND
European policies have caused a great deal of hardship for the West Country’s farming communities, but still they fight on. The soil that they work is very fertile and produces good volumes of crops and will support good livestock.
We do not have the “industrial farming” landscape, instead we have small farms with small field systems, and lots of them. This means we also have a high concentration of expertise in the more traditional methods of land management.
The proportion of useable agricultural land is fairly high, town sizes are not large in comparison with many other areas and the high moorland areas are not that big, so this leaves a good amount of workable farmland.
POPULATION
Density of population is not that high and compares well with the many areas in the north of the country, but does not have the large amounts of inhospitable mountain/moorland, where the population are concentrated in the lowlands and has a limited amount of useable farmland.
PROPERTY
Devon and Somerset have very few “new towns”, the cities and larger towns are expanding, but not massively.
Move away from the larger towns and you will find a lot of small towns, villages and hamlets, tucked away in the network of tiny lanes. Most of these are small, self-reliant communities.
The actual properties are old and have “cobb” built walls. This is a traditional local method of constructing walls, using local stone, clay and straw, often resulting in walls three or four feet thick! This method of building definitely stands the test of time, as four & five hundred-year-old cottages are common place.
Most of these houses are built around a couple of fireplaces, some have wood burning stoves and /or “rayburn” type heating systems.
As most of the villages are old, wells or springs can be found in most of them, which is useful if the mains system fails.
The villages also seem to have a strong community spirit and newcomers seem to fit in quite quickly.
The inhabitants seem to have a wide range of skills, I think in a time of need most would cope well as the trades and experience seems quite broad.
Another advantage of these small communities is Security; outsiders “stand out”.
ROADS
The area has more miles of roads than any other in Britain, but few of these are major roads. The major roads link the major towns and are the most used. If you choose your location carefully, it is quite easy to find towns and villages that few people “pass through” on their way to somewhere else. Many of the small lanes have grass growing down the middle which shows how little they are used. Many are also enclose by high banking and hedges, similar to Normandy. If read about the D Day landings you will see that in the initial stages the allies were bogged down because of these high bank hedges. This could be a boon to your security in time of need.
The massive network of lanes also means that even if all the major routes are at a “standstill”, in a crisis, you could still move about relatively easily by vehicle.
CRIME
Recent government statistics show we have the lowest incidence of crime in the country. Like everywhere, it is increasing, but slowly.
GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES
Any major “invasion” will come from only one direction – EAST. We are bounded to the North & South by the sea and to the West by Cornwall.
Every year in Devon and Somerset we rehearse the scenario of a large number of displaced persons flooding into the county, clogging all major roads and putting a massive strain on the counties resources, it’s called:
“ THE SUMMER HOLIDAYS”.
All joking aside, the area is used to these changes in population, but in reality I think many would only make it as far as Dorset or East Somerset before their fuel runs out and petrol stations will have no fuel to sell, so many will try to settle there. In saying that I do realise that you can get from London to the far west of Cornwall on one tank of fuel but I think in the survival situation this would be unlikely. Those who do make it into Devon will head for the places they know, the “holiday hotspots” and these will probably be Exmoor and the southern coast. Areas away from these and not on a road “to anywhere” are relatively unknown and should not face invasion by the desperate and unprepared.
TSHTF
So “what if”. Well if it all goes pear shaped on a national scale, this part of the country seems fairly self-sufficient. The cities and large towns may well have problems with civil unrest, but I think many will find security in staying put at first before moving out into the surrounding countryside. Some of the more informed may well “head for the hills”, and possibly become victims of their climate and baroness.
I’m sure the Government has contingency plans for large-scale civil unrest and no doubt the military will play a major part in controlling the population if events dictate.
This is an important consideration, as the Government will want people to “stay put” and not congest the road networks.
The West Country has a fairly large military presence, which may help in the control of large movements of refugees; those who remain in their communities will pose no threat and as said above the massive network of lanes means that even if all the major routes are at a “standstill”, in a crisis, you could still move about relatively easily by vehicle.
CONCLUSIONS
My personal opinion is that this part of the country has a lot going for it and if you choose your location carefully you could well ride out most storms in relative comfort. The quality of life is pretty good too. Devon and Somerset are definitely worth looking at as a long- term survival location, an area of particular interest is:

The Blackdown Hills
The Blackdown Hills are a little-known group of hills lying on the border of Devon and Somerset. Broadly, the area extends from Wellington in the north to Honiton in the south and from Cullompton in the west to Chard in the east.
The Blackdown Hills are best known for the dramatic, steep, wooded scarp face they present to the north. To the south the land dips away gently as a plateau, deeply dissected by valleys. On top of the plateau there are wide open windswept spaces; in the valleys nestle villages and hamlets surrounded by ancient and intricate patterns of small enclosed fields and a maze of winding high-hedged lanes.
The isolated villages and springline farmsteads retain a quiet rustic charm and, using local building material – chertstone, cob and thatch – many of the buildings are of considerable architectural merit with great appeal in their mix of styles. A number of important archaeological sites add richness to the landscape, from high wooded promontories such as the great earthworks of Iron Age Hembury Fort to the recently discovered evidence of Roman iron smelting.
Above all, however, what makes the Blackdown Hills special is the unspoilt rural character of the ‘ordinary’ landscape. Farming, largely dairying, has retained many traditional practices. The area remains sparsely populated and there are no towns within the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB).



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Letter Re: Rechargeable Batteries for FRS and GMRS Radios

Jim,
Just a note on the popular two-way handheld radios sold in many big box and sporting goods stores in the US. I have been trying to standardize my rechargeable batteries for these little handhelds to the ubiquitous AAs since my scanners and many of our other small lights and some gear run on them. I have four older Motorolas from 3-to-5 years ago for our use around the farm and when traveling with more than one vehicle for any distance.
First, I noticed that there has been a gradual switch for these FRS/GMRS radios that once took AAs you had to purchase separately to radios sold with special rechargeable battery packs and desk chargers for them. This seems a good idea on the surface, but what happens when the issued charge pack reaches the end of its life or is faulty?…..I think you said something about this one time on a post, but I don’t recall where or when. Also, when I could find some handhelds by other companies (Audiovox, Uniden, etc.) that use individual
rechargeable batteries, they were all AAA size, which I don’t use around our farm.
Should I just keep looking for AA battery handhelds or try to get my old ones repaired? Or perhaps I should start stocking AAA rechargeables? Thanks for any perspective you might give me on this. Regards, – Redclay

JWR Replies: It is a sad sign of the times that manufacturers now intentionally de-standardize batteries, so that they can develop captive markets for their proprietary spares. Eli Whitney is sure rolling in his grave. If nothing else, it makes it more logistically challenging for those of us that are actively preparing for a time of disrupted commerce and infrastructure.



Letter Re: Push or Pull Carts For All-Terrain Hauling

Jim-
As to puncture-proofing ATV tires, cycle or cart tires, check out www.tireballs.com. Individual cell bladders fill the tire in lieu of a single tube (or tire/wheel seal). These are the hot stuff with the off-road racing crowd, and they pound the **** out of their rigs more in a single race than any sane individual will in two lifetimes!

One other thought on tires for push-pull carts…knobby all-terrain tread patterns may look cool, but unless those tires are being powered, you’ll be happier with a much shallower tread pattern. In fact, only enough tread to keep the wheel turning instead of sliding is the goal. Why? Traction = friction, and friction = increased work! It’s like dragging a cart up the hill with the brakes on. Just a thought. Keep the faith, – Bonehead



Letter Re: Pros and Cons of Glock Pistols

Dear Jim,
Having considerably less sense than most, I’ll wade into the discussion. More blood has been spilled over the “Glock vs. 1911” argument than practically any other firearms topic. (Possible exceptions include the Revolver vs. Autopistol Great Debate of the 1970s, the 9mm vs. .45 Screamfest of the early ’80s, the .40 S&W vs. Everything Else Howl-O-Rama of the ’90s and eruptions of 10mm, .357 SIG and .45 GAP Mania. I’m sure avid readers of the “gun comics” can speak to other examples.)
FWIW, here are my opinions on Glocks, having owned five and having shot thousands of rounds through each.
Pros:
1) Reliable as a dinner fork. You pick it up, it works. Period. Glocks will tolerate dirt, mud, damage, abuse and neglect better than any handgun, with the possible exception of a Single Action Army.
2) Durable. Your readers are quite correct in their views that Glocks are durable to an almost pathological degree. Aside from the (ecch!) plastic sights, they simply don’t wear out. Ever.
3) Simple to operate. The “Safe-Action” is simplicity itself. You press the trigger, the firing pin strikes. End of story.
4) Lightweight. Most Glocks will rival and exceed far less durable alloy-frame pistols in weight and “carryability.”
5) Accurate. Glocks tend to be “match accurate” without modification out-of-the-box and after untold thousands of rounds.
Cons:
1) The ka-Boom! phenomenon. Occasionally, Glocks go “boom” instead of “bang.” (Other pistols can, too. The problem is, however, seemingly more common with Glocks.)
2) Questionable suitability for hand loads/substandard ammunition. This is a major concern for use in a “survival” situation. You may have thousands of rounds of fresh, clean (and expensive) factory ammo stored now, but you may end up with scroungy reloads with cast wheel weight bullets someday. I submit you chamber these in your Glock at much greater peril than other designs. So does the manufacturer.
3) Grip/frame dimensions. Most Glocks have grip dimensions that are unsuited for shooters with small hands. And, Glock proponents notwithstanding, their wide slides and magazines make them more difficult to conceal than functionally-comparable designs such as a Colt Commander.
4) Lack of a positive safety. Glocks are carried in “Condition Zero.” The only insurance against an accidental (not negligent) discharge is a moderately heavy trigger pull and a plastic “dingus.” It’s true that accidental discharges with Glocks are rare. But, call it a character fault, I could never quite get comfortable with my Glock 36, in a SmartCarry holster, pointed directly at my femoral artery every time I sat down. (Both Steyr and the Springfield XD line answer this concern, if one is committed to a “Safe-Action” style firearm.)
5) Heavy triggers. Yes, Glock triggers are better than DA auto/revolver triggers, and fine work can be done with all of them. (With practice. Lots of practice.) Improved aftermarket triggers can be had, most of which lighten the pull to a degree that mandates the use of a separate safety mechanism.
Note that nothing about a Glock detracts from its ability to address the need for accuracy, power and speed in a combat handgun.
My take on the matter: If you do not reload and anticipate shooting only copper-jacketed, factory ammunition, get a Glock. If you’re a hobbyist who wants to customize or build up a firearm to suit your specific needs and taste, get a 1911. (A friend of mine summed it up succinctly: “Glocks are for people who have to shoot. 1911s are for people who like to shoot.”) They are two different firearms, appealing to two different kinds of shooter.
The endless, pointless bickering between the shooting “camps” has done nothing but result in “friendly fire incidents,” replete with needless invective, hurt feelings, damaged reputations and ugly grudges. 1911 enthusiasts need to recognize “Tupperware” shooters as brethren. Likewise, Glock fans need to set aside prejudice about “that obsolete old relic.” It’s long past time to put this sort of thing behind us. Remember that when the chips are down, it will be skill, not equipment, that makes the difference. Regards, – Moriarty

 



Odds ‘n Sods:

SurvivalBlog reader “Alfie Omega” spotted this article: New, Simple, Make-It-Yourself Water Filter Promises Clean Water for Millions It begins: “A handful of clay, yesterday’s coffee grounds and some cow manure are the simple ingredients that could bring clean drinking water to developing countries around the globe…”

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“Smart Pigs” Don’t Lie: The BP Prudhoe Bay pipeline closure may last for months. Stand by for higher gasoline and home heating oil prices.

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Panicky refugees at a shelter in Northern Israel.

 





Canes, Walking Sticks, and Umbrellas for Street Self Defense

The topic of striking weapons for street self defense has been brushed on in SurvivalBlog, but has never addressed directly or at length. I highly recommend training to use a cane, walking stick, or a traditional full length umbrella. This is particularly important for our readers that live in gun-unfriendly nations. Ditto for our readers that live in states like California, New York, and New Jersey where is is very difficult for mere mortals to get a carrying concealed weapon (CCW) permit. And even if you are a concealed firearms permit holder, you should learn these valuable skills. Why? You never know when circumstances might dictate that you cannot carry a pistol. (For example, when traveling to a state where your CCW permit is not valid, or when traveling overseas.)

The following is a forward from firearms instructor John Farnam, by way of SurvivalBlog reader Grampa Redd:

“I attended a stick/cane-fighting seminar yesterday, instructed by Peter Donello of Canemasters. Canemasters manufacturers high-quality canes and walking sticks and provides training in their use. However, I used my Cold Steel “City Stick,” as did several other students.

I was astonished at the number of effective moves available to the cane/stick fighter, certainly more than I can remember! Peter’s knowledge is vast, and I did my best to catalog the few that I thought were most effective and easiest to learn. Range is the big advantage that canes have over blades and other impact weapons.

Striking and jabbing are still the premiere moves, easily done with nearly any style of cane. Some follow-up moves and holds and more comfortably accomplished with a hooked cane than with a straight stick, but either style works just fine. The real question is: What can I have with me most often that attracts the least attention?

This four-hour clinic is something I recommend to everyone. The cane is a wonderful, low-profile, yet extremely effective fighting tool that most people can fit into their lives with a minimum of lifestyle disruption. Most casual observers don’t even notice when you have one with you and certainly don’t believe them to represent a threat. Time well spent!”

As for walking stick designs: From what I have heard and observed here in the U.S., if you are well dressed and groomed, then law enforcement officers in most jurisdictions will hardly give you a second glance if you are carrying a walking stick. But if you are shabby looking and perceived as “riff-raff”, then expect to get plenty of grief. Canes, especially aluminum ones those that look like true walking aids, are far less likely to attract suspicion than walking sticks. I have an acquaintance who lives in Oakland, California who carries a dull silver aluminum cane with a big rubber tip. This cane looks very unobtrusive if not downright innocuous. It is not until you pick it up that you realize that it has been retrofitted with a 1/2″steel rod firmly epoxied into its hollow core. The phrase “the iron fist in the velvet glove” comes to mind!

I have another acquaintance that lives in a very rainy climate, near Seattle, Washington. He makes a habit of carrying a stout full length traditional umbrella whenever he gets out of his car. Aside for misplacing several umbrellas over the years (a fairly costly mistake, since he carries a big sturdy umbrella, which cost around $60 each), he had had no trouble. (And, by God’s grace, he has only had need to use it to protect himself from rain showers.) Nearly all of the stick/cane fighting techniques apply to folded umbrellas, and they can also be used quite effectively for jabbing.

My general preference is to use a well-spaced two handed grip grip in most situations, to maintain control and more importantly to assure retention of the stick. This is akin to what has been taught for many years by police academies in the use of long (“riot”) batons. The last thing that you want to happen is to have Mr. Bad Guy gain control of your weapon. If that were to happen, you would become he “Owie” recipient instead of the Owie distributor!

Do some research on your local laws. In most jurisdictions, any blow with a striking weapon to the neck or head is considered potentially lethal. Police academies emphasize this in their baton training. (“Never strike above the chest unless you you would in the same circumstances draw your pistol and fire.”) So don’t escalate to doing so unless you absolutely confident that your life is threatened and you have no other choice. (Essentially it is the same as firing a gun–at least in the eyes of the law.) It may sound sissified and a bit too prim, proper, and “Queensbury Rules”, but most courts look at things in terms of equal force and a graduated response, roughly as follows: If Mr. Bad guy uses his fists, then you can use your fists. If he uses a weapon, then you can use a weapon. If he strikes above the chest, then you can strike above the chest. As a practical matter, there are no rules in trying to save your life in a street fight, but apparently there are in court houses, post facto. Yes, I realize that graduated response is not realistic to expect, since street fights are fast and furious. Most victims don’t even recognize that their attacker is using a weapon until after the incident is over. (The classic victim’s police statement is: “I thought that he was punching me until is saw the blood, and it wasn’t until then that I realized he had used a knife on me.”) But again, a graduated response is what courts will expect in order to make a ruling of justifiable self defense.

Don’t forget that we live in a litigious era, so expect prosecution and/or a civil lawsuit in the event that you are forced to use a weapon in self defense, even if you were entirely in the right. Show restraint, and never deal out punishment. Just reduce the threat with a quick jab or two, disengage, and then engage your Nike-jitsu technique. (Run!)

If you get into an absolutely lethal brawl (a truly “kill or get killed” situation) and you cannot disengage, by all means aim where you can do the most damage: The front or side of the neck. The human neck is soft tissue, a bundle of nerves, veins, arteries, and wind pipe. It is your surest target to end a fight quickly and decisively. (The same goes of hand-to-hand combat. Aim your punches at his throat.) But again, it is also your surest way to find your way to a courtroom. I can’t stress this enough: show discretion!

When carrying a striking weapon or an edged weapon of any sort for self defense, be sure to develop the same Condition White/Yellow/Amber/Red situational awareness skills that you would for carrying a concealed firearm. (See Naish Piazza’s article “The Color Code of Mental Awareness”, available free at the Front Sight web site. (Click on “Special Offers” and then on the link for “15 Gun Training Reports free of charge.”) Extensive training on self defense combative techniques is worthless if you don’t see an attack coming. Be alert.

If you don’t live near a school that teaches cane and stick fighting, there is a 40 minute training DVD produced by the Gunsite academy, titled: “Defensive Techniques: Walking Stick.” It is available from Blade-Tech and directly from the Gunsite Internet Pro Shop. (The latter does not accept overseas orders.)

I should also mention that modern self defense with a walking stick (“Bartitsu“) was popularized by Edward W. Barton-Wright. His classic 1901 magazine article on walking stick self defense is available for free download. See: Part 1 and Part 2. These techniques are weak on weapon retention, but it otherwise is still fairly valid, even after more than a century.



Odds ‘n Sods:

The 2010 U.S. census will record GPS coordinates of every household’s front porch. Charming.

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Reader JCS suggested this site on battery technology on battery technology. He noted, “For a long term survival scenario I’m starting to think that Ni-Cd would be better than Ni-MH for my two-way radios.”

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Note From JWR:

Jake Stafford forwards the following letter from “down under”. It came from a reader of the free Special Report “The Desperation Shopping List: the Seven Critical Items That Are Guaranteed to be Stripped From Store Shelves When You Need Them Most in a Crisis.” You can get the report free when you visit the Ready For The Worst web site, even if you are not yet ready to buy the “Rawles Gets You Ready” preparedness course. (Jake has the course on sale at a deeply discounted price, perhaps for the last time, until August 11th.)



Letter Re: The Most Overlooked Preparations

Hi Jake,
Thanks for the info. Most of the things described (in your Special Report) were actually on my lists but in a slightly different order. I think this is due to a different focus. Given a total TEOTWAWKI when the supplies run out, they’ll be out for good, so I’ve focused on the required knowledge you need to be able to re-make/replace them.
For example in my basic survival kit (for bushwalking) I have a small high quality water filter but for the long term stuff I am focusing on learning how to ‘make’ a water filter.
Also my 4WD is kitted out with Solar panels and Chargers for the various Radios, Torches and Night Vision kit, all requiring ‘AAA’ batteries but I’m also learning how to make Wind & Hydro generators from wood, wire and neodymium magnets. When the fuel is gone and the solar panels quit, that’ll be that.
Regarding salt: THAT is definitely relevant but I have added Sugar, Herbs and Spices. Not because you need them physically but to soften the psychological blow in the beginning.
Same for hand sanitizer, I have toiletries in general high on my list for health reasons but again also to soften the psychological blow in the
beginning. Gees, life without dunny paper! What a bear! Figuring out how to replace them is next . . . (I’m working on food at the moment).
You know the strangest part of all this is that I’m finding that what I need to know comes either from the third world or new simplified technologies being developed for them. How ironic is that?
For me this is mostly an intellectual exercise as I don’t believe that a collapse is very likely even allowing for the troubled times we live in,
nor do I think it will be that sudden – at least here in Oz. While I do like to ‘be prepared’ for the unexpected, sadly I can’t afford the cost of a fully set up retreat – or even a retreat – so I guess the best I can do is acquire the knowledge and help others out. Thanks again for the info. Kind Regards, – Ross F. in Australia



Poll Responses Re: Best Places for Retreats in the Eastern U.S. and Overseas?

Jim,
For those of us stuck in the Northeast due to family and or business reasons, I suggest the the area in New Hampshire north of the White Mountains and east of the Connecticut river. Generally from Woodsville, NH to Lancaster, NH. Including the area around Lisbon, Littleton and Whitefield in the Ammonoosuc River valley. Distance to Boston is approximately 150 miles, and Montreal 170 miles. – Art

 

Dear Jim,
For retreat sites east of the Mississippi, one of the most uninhabited areas is in West Virginia south of the WV Turnpike down through the eastern corner of Kentucky and the south west corner of Virginia. It’s a hard land and the people living there are probably some of the best survivalists living today because they have to be.
If anyone decides on this area, they must establish themselves before hand because after a national collapse people from “off” will not be welcome and it may well be a fatal error to try to settle there.
Always treat the local people there with the utmost respect. They never forget a kindness or forgive an insult. The feud is still a time honored tradition. – v/r John

 

Jim;
I live in western North Carolina. However I am close to Asheville but west and northwest of me is places that are suitable for retreats. Plenty of water, game, fishing, firewood, and lots of prime area for gardens. We are in the mountains and in case I have to bug out I can be in the wilderness within one mile of where I live. Either by vehicle or walking. My plan is to bug in but in the event I have to leave I have several places and routes to take. So they are places in western NC, northeast Georgia, and eastern Tennessee one could live with not many people around. I live about 60 miles from Murphy and extreme wilderness areas. That is the same area that Eric Rudolph evaded the FBI for so long. In my area they are plenty of hiking trails that a person if they wanted to could “get lost” easily. But if someone bugged out in this area you must have excellent survival skills i.e. trapping, use of snares, camping, hunting, fishing, etc or you would not last very long.
Thanks for your web site and for all that you do to help people prepare. – R.H. in Asheville, NC

 

Jim,
I would recommend the Southern Central area of Alabama. This area is called the “Black Belt” region. This phrase does not reference martial arts nor does it reference any racial class of people. It references the soil. The soil is a dark rich soil that is from fresh water deposits from many many years past. The soil is great for gardens and wildlife. This is deer country. The deer love the vegetation that grows due to the soil. There are still large tracts of farm land for sale. However, the poverty in this area can be high, depending on which part you choose to live . I was driving through Tuscaloosa last week and saw a sign that stated if someone would build in the Black Belt region, south of Tuscaloosa, either the State, county or city would give you land. This is of course a way to end the poverty in this region.
In north Alabama, the City of Huntsville has Redstone Arsenal, an Army installation. I do not think I would want to live there. In Anniston, Alabama, they have an Army weapons incinerator. The [state] Emergency Management Agency has been giving out [chemical warfare] “survival kits” [to local residents] and they have a warning system in place to tell you when to take cover and shelter. I do not think I would live too close to either of these facilities. However, south of Birmingham in the “Black Belt” region may be good. Respectfully, – Happy Howie

 

Jim,
I wish I could tell you that I had extensively researched this particular problem and had a nice tidy answer for you. I have looked into it but the current loose plans of my wife and I have us staying a few more years in one of the worst places outside of a major city on the East Coast. That being Long Island, New York. Close to the South unfortunately as well. As our ‘escape’ gets closer to becoming a reality I’ll be doing further and more extensive research. I have done some preliminary work though and for us personally it’s looking like either the mountains of Western North Carolina or somewhere in central to Northern Vermont. Based on population central Maine, West Virginia may be worth looking into and I believe the Shenandoah River Valley area of Virginia holds some promise as well but it’s far too close and accessible to the D.C. area for my tastes.
A lot of the issues involved are centered around family, friends and work in regards to staying on the East Coast. I would think some may like upper NY in the Adirondacks but the gun laws here in NY have crossed the entire state off our list.
I like to think the key to pulling off long term survival in the Eastern portion of the country will being able to lay low and completely disappear when needed. The channelized areas are extremely annoying as far as selecting retreat locations. The network of highways is simply too extensive and I would expect something along the lines of a ‘Christopher’s Response’ as in [Niven and Pournelle’s novel] Lucifer’s Hammer to take care of some of that. Granted I also suspect plenty of traffic will be tied up in car accidents and disabled vehicles. We recently had the displeasure of driving from Long Island (LI), up across the Throgs Neck bridge and across the lower section of the Bronx, through upper Manhattan across the George Washington bridge and finally to I80 in New Jersey. It was roughly 15 or 16 miles from leaving the LI Expressway to getting clear on I80, took us around 3 hours. That was between 2:00 and 5:00, about a half hour for the first four miles to actually get off LI, the rest was sitting in the Bronx because of a minor accident that we never actually saw any sign of. Normal traffic, if the Schumer hits the fan it’ll be much, much worse and many people if not most will not escape where ever they’re starting from.
One of the reasons I like Vermont is that the hordes fleeing Boston would likely take route 93 to get to Vermont and I suspect some enterprising Free Staters in New Hampshire will use the Christopher Response. Although that is not something that can be counted on. I think Adirondack park would also be a big attraction for vast numbers of the Golden Horde or MZBs, including those from Boston and many will head into the ‘wilds’ of Maine in the Summer and those that can will do everything in their power to head South in the Winter. I suspect there are plenty of good locations in Vermont that would be bypassed by many trying to get to places they perceive to be better. I also like that areas of Vermont enjoy good prospects for wind and hydro power generation. I feel in many situations hydro power is a superior choice since it is far easier to conceal. Although Vermont gets a big down check for solar. In fact the prospects of colder winters is a plus in my book since being able to lay low for a years time will harshly thin things out. I’m sure things will be difficult but I’m reasonably certain once we start setting up a ‘retreat’ or rather our home if we choose Vermont we’ll be able to make it seem that we are most certainly ‘not home’ for that first critical year.
North Carolina is on the list more for family reasons than any other. There’s a lot about NC I don’t care for. One of the biggest being the potential for racial conflict. No matter what your race may be for all practical purposes you simply can’t hide your race from people of other races. So even if you have zero desire to be involved in something along those lines and I most certainly do not, simply being there adds one more and in my opinion unneeded additional survival challenge. Oddly enough (or maybe not) another big down check is some of my family already living there.
Another thing to look at when scouting a potential retreat area is how welcoming it is to new people. I’m getting the feeling that time is short on many fronts so being able to become part of a community quickly is likely going to be a necessity. From my visits and talks to friends in Maine it seems that there are vast areas of Maine that would be otherwise promising if it weren’t for the vibe that families living in an area for three generations are looked at as ‘the new people’. I suspect the areas I’ve looked at in NC may have something similar but I haven’t spent any time in those areas yet. From my limited travels in Vermont, mostly in the Burlington area and talking to friends who moved there from LI, I haven’t quite gotten that same vibe that the areas of Maine I’ve been to (Kennebunkport and Hollis) seem to have. For this reason alone I think it is extremely important for someone to visit their potential retreats before committing to putting money down and moving. This definitely one of those ‘the more the merrier’ type of things.
We also have a potential bug out location in PA that may work out for us but overall is too close to NYC and a major highway but it’s a gathering point for many friends and better yet we would be welcome there.
Anyway, sorry to ramble on and I feel that all of this even though it’s sums up my own assessments so far, merely scratches the surface. Thanks for the work you put into the “Rawles Gets You Ready” preparedness course, it has been some enlightening reading. – T.J.

Hi Jim,
Here’s an Eastern US area that you might not be aware of …it is Floyd County, about a one hour drive west of Roanoke, Virginia. It fits the categories of lightly populated, agricultural, and away from “lines of drift. – G.S.

 

 

Jim:
We picked SW Tennessee. Halfway between Memphis and Nashville and 25 miles north of the Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee border

Rationale:

Two tremendous water sources The Tennessee and Mississippi rivers.

Water tables are close to the surface with many springs and artesian wells. Supplies all of Memphis with water.

Enough rolling hills to dig in.

Plenty of forest to hide in.

Land cost $ 1,000 – $2,500 per acre in outlying areas.

Memphis and Nashville are large, both 120 miles from our home and, Jackson, TN is 50 miles north. Much smaller population 600,000.
Nothing to the South until Birmingham Alabama.

Country folk who very seldom go to Nashville or Memphis except for medical appointment at Vanderbilt or U of Tennessee.
Everything grows here.
Usually only two snow days a year.
Coldest average temp is 10 degrees.
Three planting seasons, Feb – (Spring), May- June (Summer), and August (Fall). Tomato and beans grow up until the time change in Oct. Cabbage and potatoes until November. Zone 7 Tremendous hunting turkey, deer, squirrel and rabbit. Good fishing TN and MS rivers. Perry County boast of NOT having any four lane highways in the whole county. Property taxes on 42 acres is $175 per year. No building or code inspectors. No codes! You can build anything you want. Except, to have electric hookup you have to have a septic tank. Reception is good and poor on cell phone, (good and bad) depending on where you are standing. To work, you go into Jackson, TN, a one hour drive. Takes the same amt of time driving 18 miles in rush hour on the expressway. Yes we are down wind but outside of the yellowstone supervolcano fallout Well this is our motivation. Have a good day. And peace be with you and your family. – Rus