Letter: Mental Illness

Hugh,

I have a mental illness and know that if things go south my chances are slim, but I will persevere until the “oops” occurs. I suggest reading the fictional book “One Second After” to get a glimpse at what might happen to the old and the mentally ill; it is not pretty. Also, “The Walking Dead” did an episode, “The Grove”, where there was a mentally ill person. For the seriously mental ill, a bullet to the head might be the only choice. That stinks but is realistic. For the less serious, like me, you have to decide whether to put up with my inability to produce any type of work. The stress of a collapsed society and the need to fight could be too much. For Americans that believe you have to pull your own weight, this will no doubt be a breaking point.

HJL Replies: This is an area that really sets people apart. Throughout history eugenics has cropped up under many guises. Much of what we despise about “Obama care” smacks of eugenics. Hitlers ethnic cleansing started with eugenics. This is an area that sets Christianity apart from much of the rest of the world. (To the horror of many, the church does not always have clean hands in the matter.) In fact, most violations of human rights can be traced back to some form of eugenics. You may hear that the Bible does not speak to eugenics, but that is not so. The word “eugenics” may not be present, but the concept certainly is:

“The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy, and in the night is as a thief.” – Job 24:14

and again:

“For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.” – Mathew 25:35-36

“I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” – Acts 20:35

Both of these scriptures make it abundantly clear that we are to care for the weak and those who cannot care for themselves. I fear that as our nation has withdrawn from God that most mentally ill will suffer the same fate in a TEOTWAWKI situation that the unborn suffer now. Some will be cared for, but many will not be. While not every mentally-ill person will be my responsibility, I will prepare to take care of those family whom I know will require it; perhaps a few more if God so lays it on my heart. The belief that EVERY person under my care must pull their own weight is foolhardy. I am under no such illusion. We must have a place in our preps for those who cannot help themselves.



Letter Re: The Ice Hits the Fan in South Carolina

This piece is a much needed wake up for prepper families that think it is okay for Dad, Mom, Son, Daughter or someone else to do everything…alone.

This warning goes both ways, as I know plenty of men who “go it alone” because that is the way they want it. They haven’t figured out that young man/lady in the house, watching TV or hanging out with his friends, is capable of much more and needs to earn the confidence that practice gives.

If your older children or parents, or your neighbor down the road is counting on you to help them, you are truly going to have to lean on your spouse and kids more to help you. Plus, in a long term situation, you are going to have to stand firm and move them in with you, rather than expend time and fuel, putting yourself in harms way all the while.

I’m not harping on about the individuals described in this fine piece of information. I see this first hand where I live. It’s selfishness on a fathers part to not have his children do what they are capable of doing. One needs to only think about how much they must impart to a young mind before they go into the world on their own and then think about the “what if” situation that happens when a dad dies before the job of raising the young is completed. Be very careful to not raise children that are so self-centered they aren’t out there helping you, and that truly is what it is.

Experience is the best prep you can give them, not a notebook, an electronic toy, or a generator to run their TV’s. Rethink gifts in this light, and perhaps when the bad weather or bad times come, your children will have proper gear and fewer distractions.





Odds ‘n Sods:

Keeping Your NYC License – P.M.

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While certainly exciting to watch, this video of an example of russian hand gun training is insane. I can’t tell if some of those shots by the shooter are accidental discharges brought on by the stress or intentional warning shots. – R.G.

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This animated gif shows the new headboard I want for my bed. – B.R.

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Mike Williamson (SurvivalBlog Editor At Large) sent in this link showing a list of bulk food co-ops by state.

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Mike also sent in information about a Kansas bill seeking to legalize police retaliation. The chances of this making it through the legislation should be small, but the fact that it was introduced is quite disturbing. If this passes, you could file a complaint, the police could investigate, find no wrong, no outside agency could check them, and you could be charged with felony perjury. This violates at least the First Amendment and, possibly, the Fifth, Ninth, and Tenth, as well as Bills of Attainder.





Notes from HJL:

Seed for Security (a SurvivalBlog advertiser) is announcing a new garden seed collection. Native Americans combined corn, beans, and squash for excellent nutrition and synergistic growth. Their Three Sisters Collection comes with detailed planting instructions and a diagram to help you obtain these same benefits.

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Today we present another entry for Round 51 of the SurvivalBlog non-fiction writing contest. The $11,000+ worth of prizes for this round include:

First Prize:

  1. Gunsite Academy Three Day Course Certificate, good for any one, two, or three course (a $1,195 value),
  2. A course certificate from onPoint Tactical. This certificate will be for the prize winner’s choice of three-day civilian courses. (Excluding those restricted for military or government teams.) Three day onPoint courses normally cost $795,
  3. Two cases of Mountain House freeze dried assorted entrees in #10 cans, courtesy of Ready Made Resources (a $350 value),
  4. A $300 gift certificate from CJL Enterprize, for any of their military surplus gear,
  5. A 9-Tray Excalibur Food Dehydrator from Safecastle.com (a $300 value),
  6. A $300 Gift Certificate from Freeze Dry Guy,
  7. A $250 gift certificate from Sunflower Ammo,
  8. A roll of $10 face value in pre-1965 U.S. 90% silver quarters, courtesy of GoldAndSilverOnline.com, (currently valued at around $180 postpaid),
  9. Both VPN tunnel and DigitalSafe annual subscriptions from Privacy Abroad (a combined value of $195),
  10. KellyKettleUSA.com is donating both an AquaBrick water filtration kit and a Stainless Medium Scout Kelly Kettle Complete Kit with a combined retail value of $304,
  11. APEX Gun Parts is donating a $250 purchase credit, and
  12. TexasgiBrass.com is providing a $300 gift certificate.

Second Prize:

  1. A gift certificate worth $1,000, courtesy of Spec Ops Brand,
  2. A Glock form factor SIRT laser training pistol and a SIRT AR-15/M4 Laser Training Bolt, courtesy of Next Level Training. Together, these have a retail value of $589.
  3. A FloJak EarthStraw “Code Red” 100 foot well pump system (a $500 value), courtesy of FloJak.com,
  4. $300 worth of ammo from Patriot Firearms and Munitions. (They also offer a 10% discount for all SurvivalBlog readers with coupon code SVB10P .),
  5. A $250 gift card from Emergency Essentials,
  6. A full set of all 26 books published by PrepperPress.com (a $270 value),
  7. Two cases of Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs), courtesy of CampingSurvival.com (a $180 value),
  8. EP Lowers, makers of 80% complete fiber composite polymer lowers for the AR-15 rifles, is donating a $250 gift certificate,
  9. Autrey’s Armory – specialists in AR-15, M4s, parts, and accessories is donating a $250 gift certificate,
  10. Dri-Harvestfoods.com in Bozeman, Montana is providing a prize bundle with Beans, Buttermilk Powder, Montana Hard Red Wheat, Drink Mixes, and White Rice, valued at $333,
  11. TexasgiBrass.com is providing a $150 gift certificate, and
  12. Organized Prepper is providing a $500 gift certificate.

Third Prize:

  1. A Royal Berkey water filter, courtesy of Directive 21 (a $275 value),
  2. A large handmade clothes drying rack, a washboard, and a Homesteading for Beginners DVD, all courtesy of The Homestead Store, with a combined value of $206,
  3. Expanded sets of both washable feminine pads and liners, donated by Naturally Cozy (a $185 retail value),
  4. Two Super Survival Pack seed collections, a $150 value, courtesy of Seed for Security,
  5. A MURS Dakota Alert Base Station Kit with a retail value of $240 from JRH Enterprises,
  6. Mayflower Trading is donating a $200 gift certificate for homesteading appliances, and
  7. Ambra Le Roy Medical Products in North Carolina is donating a bundle of their traditional wound care and first aid supplies, with a value of $208.
  8. SurvivalBased.com is donating a $500 gift certificate to their store.

Round 51 ends on March 31st, so get busy writing and e-mail us your entry. Remember that there is a 1,500-word minimum, and that articles on practical “how to” skills for survival have an advantage in the judging.



Survival Medicine, by Confederate Preacher

The area of prepping has grown enormously in the past few years, with a diversity not seen in other current mindsets. Some people prep for economic reasons, others for biblical reasons, others for political reasons, while some seem to have no reason at all or a combination of each. I am sure the list of reasons could extended many times over. Each person also has their areas of focus in which the majority of their prepping focuses. Many people are consumed with water storage and/or water purification. Water is the most important supply when dealing with long-term, off-grid survival. Water should be the largest, by volume, of your supplies, but there is so much more that we must give ample attention to.

Many preppers are stuck on ammunition and firearms. Security and safety should be in the top five of your preparedness priorities list. It won’t do you much good to have 500 gallons of water, if someone can come and take it from you with little resistance. On the other hand, having five thousand rounds for your AR will not do you much good if you only have enough water for 10 days. Then there are those who gear for this ridiculous zombie apocalypse. I immediately turn these people off when they begin to talk because they are obviously misinformed, misguided, and heavily influenced by video games.

Whichever of the top five preparedness items you begin with, each one must be addressed in order for you to have a realistic chance at survival in any situation. Yet there is still more to consider than just supplies. My mindset on prepping may be a little different than most. The majority of preparations are made for a life-altering event. I look at it as trying to become more self-sufficient now, so the life-altering event won’t be so dramatic for me and my family.

My wife and I have recently been researching and attempting to approach the issue of medicine. There have been several good articles posted in the recent past that gave great advice on procuring medicine in advance of a collapse scenario. There was one article that dealt with ordering medicines in powder form that are produced for exotic fish, in bulk and without prescription. I know of doctors who are aware of the dangers that we face in society today that will write prescriptions for antibiotics and such with an extra refill for their patients to put back. If you are one of these people that think this is unethical and illegal, you just go ahead and sign up for Obamacare, wait on the government, and believe everything will be okay.

The encouraging thing that we face in looking into medicines is that everyone in my family is healthy and not required to take any medication on a regular basis, praise the Lord!! Those that rely on medicines to regulate blood pressure, blood sugar, and so forth have to deal with a different set of circumstances, yet there are alternatives for that as well. We do not visit the doctor when we have a sniffle, infection, or tummy ache either. In fact I cannot remember the last time any of us had a regular doctor visit. We are not anti-doctor, but we do not see the wisdom in running to the doctor and getting multiple pills to take when we get sick. It reminds me of the woman with the issue of blood in Luke 8:43, who had spent all her living upon physicians and could not be healed by any.

We began this journey when our children were toddlers, and we grew weary of the pediatrician always wanting to prescribe antibiotics for whatever he/she felt was ailing them. What most people fail to realize is the basis for most drugs is a natural plant. The natural remedies that mankind has used for millenia have obviously worked as we are still here. Modern scientists have taken those plants, herbs, or whatever and tried to copy and enhance the nutrients produced naturally. It doesn’t take a scientist to realize that nutrients occurring naturally are a lot healthier than nutrients produced in a laboratory. When reading the side effects of these new drugs, it makes me think that one would be better off with the ailment they are trying to treat. With our distrust of the pharmaceutical companies, we began giving our children vitamins and changing the foods that they ate. We later expanded into homemade syrups for coughs and immune boosters. We also began consuming natural foods– non-GMO, organic, non-pesticide, et cetera. Local honey and raw garlic were incorporated into various tortures. We began drinking raw milk and eating only grass-feed meat, using kefir in smoothies, and many other concoctions that I didn’t always find very delicious.

The next step was herbs, whether cooking with herbs, drinking them in an herbal tea, infusing oil and herbs into a salve, and the latest trial is herbal tinctures. There are various methods for making tinctures. The main difference is the base. The most common bases are vegetable glycerin, vinegar, and alcohol. The vegetable glycerin tincture has to be cooked in a crockpot for several days. The cooking process can lessen the healing properties with certain herbs. The other two bases have to be mixed and placed in a dark cool place for 3-6 weeks. While the vinegar base has to be kept refrigerated and doesn’t last very long, the alcohol base doesn’t require refrigeration and will last longer. The alcohol will also draw more of the nutrients from certain herbs. We chose to do the alcohol base for the aforementioned reasons, but let me first state my stance on alcohol. I believe the Bible addresses the various uses of alcohol. While the Bible does not teach total abstinence, it does teach the evils of drunkenness and the effect that alcohol has on the body, the mind, and the home when it is abused. I am not one who believes and advocates that someone can drink socially or daily for the “medicinal benefits”. Every person I have known who uses this logic to justify their actions ends up overindulging, which leads to greater sins. The Bible gives the example of using wine for problems with the stomach in I Tim 5:23. Proverbs 31:6 says, “Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.” Again, advocating the use of alcohol as a medicine in situations but not an everyday use. So the decision we made to use the alcohol-based tincture was made with prayer and contemplation. There are various methods to remove the alcohol from the tincture, if your conscience will not allow you to use it, but please realize the amount is miniscule when taking the tincture properly.

Our first tincture was a winter tincture for colds and flu. It was a mixture of leaves and roots of Olive, Echinacea, Garlic, Elderberries, Yarrow, Astragalus, and others. We used 100 proof Vodka as the base. I am not aware if the brand of alcohol will affect the tincture, so the brand was insignificant to us. It was timely because all four of us had a mild variation of the bug that was going around at the beginning of the year. We each took a teaspoon of the tincture twice a day along with some other immune boosting remedies, and we actually survived. I give my wife a hard time with many of her homemade remedies by calling them Voodoo and complaining that they do not work and taste like high school cafeteria food. It didn’t taste good by any stretch of the imagination, but then again it isn’t supposed to. I have always been difficult and am just trying to stay consistent, but I would much rather take the natural remedies than go to the store and buy something not really knowing what is in it. The misconception people have about all medicines is that they are supposed to work instantly. Pharmaceuticals will address the symptoms and make one feel like they are no longer sick, while the body is still actively fighting the virus, illness, or infection. Natural medicines work differently in that they provide the body the nutrients needed to fight the sickness, while not really addressing the symptoms. God created our bodies to heal themselves, and they will do just that in most cases. God also created the plants that we are supposed to consume to provide our bodies with the necessary ingredients to aid in the healing process.

We next made a tincture that can be taken as a preventative or to aid in recovery during a battle with sickness. It has herbs such as Nettle, Peppermint, Echinacea, Elderberries, Eleuthero, and Rosehips. No, I do not know what most of these herbs are, nor could I spot them in the wild or in the health food store for that matter. That is the next step in my ongoing lessons. In the meantime, these herbs can be purchased premixed from most health food stores and bulk supply stores and just need to be added to the base of your choice. You can also find recipes online for various remedies.

With my mindset of self-sufficiency before a collapse, these tinctures are right up our alley. By using these natural remedies now we are allowing our immune systems to work as they are supposed to and build up strength instead of pumping man-made chemicals into our bodies and nullifying our immune systems. Most people will argue that they have to take a pill for this, another pill for that, and probably a pill to offset the first two pills. Remember that most man-made medicines are copied from a naturally occurring medicine. There are plenty of natural remedies for blood pressure, blood sugar, hyper tension, heart problems, gout, migraines, high cholesterol, et cetera. Why not try to get off some the prescribed drugs now before you are forced to? Even if nothing happens, which is highly unlikely, you will be healthier and happier.



Letter Re: Perspective from the Inside

Hugh,

As a retired (federal) law enforcement officer, I think JH’s article was well written and presented a number of very good points. His comments about budget issues, the police tendency to grab so much free military surplus gear, and officer’s dedication to the job was well done.

For better or worse, the police are often the layer between “the government” and the people. They must deal with extremely difficult situations in, often times, dangerous conditions. Most are well-meaning, and, yes, a few are over-the-top authoritarians.

I suppose what bothers me (as I have observed) is a tendency for officers to increasingly view themselves in a kind of a “war” between the police and the public they serve. By the very nature of a law enforcement career, police usually see themselves in competitive we/them relationship with the public. Moreover, after years of dealing with “bad guy’s”, there is a natural tendency toward suspicion and personal safety.

In my view, the challenging civil upheaval that our country faces is a given. It is coming. Again, the police will be the layer between the government and the people (unless it’s martial law, in which case the military will be more center-stage). Personally, I wonder if the Department of Homeland Security isn’t (quietly?) fanning the flames that make our police even more defensive, under the guise of professional preparedness.

JH: Good article…. – C.C.

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Hugh,

Attached is an excerpt from “A Primer On Martial Law”, as the subject is touched on in the article by J.H. as an “insider”. The original “Martial Law” dissertation is eight pages long, so this “part of part 3” is intended to arouse, as a “teaser”, the reader to study deeper into a very important Constitutional question that could be in our near future. The term “martial law” is used willy-nilly in common discourse, without any allusion to the reality of what is meant. It is so common, yet it is not generally understood in a legal sense. I’m tempted to reply to the “Militarized Police” comments, especially as to the recent SCOTUS decision that SWAT teams can legally attack any home, day or night, without a warrant, if the home has any guns, legally-owned under the Second Amendment. Just kiss your Fourth Amendment good-bye! So, are we to trust the police? – E.C.

The essence of “martial law” in this third sense may be vague, but its constitutional effect is pellucid: Any attempt to impose “martial law” by force is nothing less than “Treason”. The Constitution declares that “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort”. And “if [‘War’] be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled, for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors”. In operation, “martial law” proceeds by arraying men under arms in order to set aside or suspend the Constitution of the United States, in whole or in part, and to employ those arms against anyone who resists–without any constitutional or other lawful authority for doing so. Therefore, inasmuch as “the United States” exists only perforce and through application of the Constitution, “martial law” amounts to “levying War against the [United States]”. And inasmuch as WE THE PEOPLE are the authors and beneficiaries of the Constitution, “martial law” amounts as well to “levying War against” THE PEOPLE themselves. It would be immaterial that those who attempted to impose “martial law” wore uniforms (even with United States flags as shoulder patches), or held military commissions, or acted pursuant to orders from supposed superiors. Even someone who commits “Treason” under a claim of “good faith” is entitled to no immunity. This principle is part of the modern Law of Nations: “[T]hat the [officer] acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior shall not free him from responsibility”. And it subsists in American law of a far longer heritage.

In sum, “martial law” in the third sense of that term cannot exist in this country. It is a legal impossibility. Participation in it would constitute the most serious of all crimes. And it would supply just grounds for mass resistance among the citizenry aimed at overthrowing whatever purported governmental apparatus attempted to impose it. For, as the Declaration of Independence proclaims, under such circumstances “it is the [people’s] right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”. And the Declaration of Independence is still very good law in America. (exerpt from ‘A Primer on “Martial Law”‘ by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr.)



Economics and Investing:

A map showing the ridiculous fight over the keystone pipeline in Nebraska, a state that has over 20,000 miles of pipeline and complains about 200 miles.

Items from The Economatrix:

The Five-Year Fantasy Is Ending

Relief in Sight for Gasoline Prices, AAA says

A land of low-wage jobs: For every job that pays above the low-wage threshold of $15 an hour you have 7 job-seekers. 51.4 million low-wage jobs in U.S.

Food Prices Surge, Hurting Consumers, Companies Alike



Odds ‘n Sods:

EMP Effects and Cyber Warfare – Part 1– B.H.

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The massive solar blast that almost wreaked havoc on Earth – S.C.

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Tactical Machining (TM) may have helped us understand what happened to EP Armory and Ares Armor. In the Facebook post, TM had a few factual errors, but did indicate some of the issues in dealing with 80% lowers. They are claiming the raids were a result of the manufactures not having a proper determination letter from the ATF stating that the lowers were not firearms. – R.C.

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An excellent article by Mother Earth News on long term storage of cackleberries. Also, some good USDA information for hen owners. – B.

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Nineteen uses for the ultimate survival tool: Duct Tape. – F.J.



Hugh’s Quote of the Day:

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.



Notes from HJL:

Today we present another entry for Round 51 of the SurvivalBlog non-fiction writing contest. The $11,000+ worth of prizes for this round include:

First Prize:

  1. Gunsite Academy Three Day Course Certificate, good for any one, two, or three course (a $1,195 value),
  2. A course certificate from onPoint Tactical. This certificate will be for the prize winner’s choice of three-day civilian courses. (Excluding those restricted for military or government teams.) Three day onPoint courses normally cost $795,
  3. Two cases of Mountain House freeze dried assorted entrees in #10 cans, courtesy of Ready Made Resources (a $350 value),
  4. A $300 gift certificate from CJL Enterprize, for any of their military surplus gear,
  5. A 9-Tray Excalibur Food Dehydrator from Safecastle.com (a $300 value),
  6. A $300 Gift Certificate from Freeze Dry Guy,
  7. A $250 gift certificate from Sunflower Ammo,
  8. A roll of $10 face value in pre-1965 U.S. 90% silver quarters, courtesy of GoldAndSilverOnline.com, (currently valued at around $180 postpaid),
  9. Both VPN tunnel and DigitalSafe annual subscriptions from Privacy Abroad (a combined value of $195),
  10. KellyKettleUSA.com is donating both an AquaBrick water filtration kit and a Stainless Medium Scout Kelly Kettle Complete Kit with a combined retail value of $304,
  11. APEX Gun Parts is donating a $250 purchase credit, and
  12. TexasgiBrass.com is providing a $300 gift certificate.

Second Prize:

  1. A gift certificate worth $1,000, courtesy of Spec Ops Brand,
  2. A Glock form factor SIRT laser training pistol and a SIRT AR-15/M4 Laser Training Bolt, courtesy of Next Level Training. Together, these have a retail value of $589.
  3. A FloJak EarthStraw “Code Red” 100 foot well pump system (a $500 value), courtesy of FloJak.com,
  4. $300 worth of ammo from Patriot Firearms and Munitions. (They also offer a 10% discount for all SurvivalBlog readers with coupon code SVB10P .),
  5. A $250 gift card from Emergency Essentials,
  6. A full set of all 26 books published by PrepperPress.com (a $270 value),
  7. Two cases of Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs), courtesy of CampingSurvival.com (a $180 value),
  8. EP Lowers, makers of 80% complete fiber composite polymer lowers for the AR-15 rifles, is donating a $250 gift certificate,
  9. Autrey’s Armory – specialists in AR-15, M4s, parts, and accessories is donating a $250 gift certificate,
  10. Dri-Harvestfoods.com in Bozeman, Montana is providing a prize bundle with Beans, Buttermilk Powder, Montana Hard Red Wheat, Drink Mixes, and White Rice, valued at $333,
  11. TexasgiBrass.com is providing a $150 gift certificate, and
  12. Organized Prepper is providing a $500 gift certificate.

Third Prize:

  1. A Royal Berkey water filter, courtesy of Directive 21 (a $275 value),
  2. A large handmade clothes drying rack, a washboard, and a Homesteading for Beginners DVD, all courtesy of The Homestead Store, with a combined value of $206,
  3. Expanded sets of both washable feminine pads and liners, donated by Naturally Cozy (a $185 retail value),
  4. Two Super Survival Pack seed collections, a $150 value, courtesy of Seed for Security,
  5. A MURS Dakota Alert Base Station Kit with a retail value of $240 from JRH Enterprises,
  6. Mayflower Trading is donating a $200 gift certificate for homesteading appliances, and
  7. Ambra Le Roy Medical Products in North Carolina is donating a bundle of their traditional wound care and first aid supplies, with a value of $208.
  8. SurvivalBased.com is donating a $500 gift certificate to their store.

Round 51 ends on March 31st, so get busy writing and e-mail us your entry. Remember that there is a 1,500-word minimum, and that articles on practical “how to” skills for survival have an advantage in the judging.



How To Save Seeds: From Your Garden, For Your Garden, by P.R.

There is nothing like a renewable food source, and seeds are one way to guarantee that you have a continuing supply of food. If you don’t save your seeds from year to year, you will eventually run out of stored seeds, and your garden will transform from a renewable resource to a one-harvest wonder. At the very least, seeds can make a great barter item in a post-collapse world.

At first glance, saving seeds might seem obvious and easy, but there are actually many detailed questions that arise. Some include:

  • How do you save the seeds?
  • What do they look like for different plants?
  • What conditions do you need for plants to produce seed?
  • When is the best time to harvest them?
  • How many do you get?
  • Can you eat the same plants that you get seed from, or do you have to keep food crops separate from seed crops?

To compound the problem, the answers to these and other questions tend to be either scattered in numerous sources, or overwhelming with complexity and extraneous information. There are many books and references that can be found on seed saving. However, many of them are overwhelming with family names, cross pollination, and lots and lots of information on things you’re not really interested in or don’t have time to memorize. It is true that saving seeds can be a challenge, if you have large crop operations or you have many varieties of each type of crop, but for the home gardener or small community operation, seed saving doesn’t have to be difficult.

SurvivalBlog readers need the concise guide to seed saving, which I hope to provide with this article. My goal is to provide readers with a foundation for seed saving and tips on how to figure out on your own how to save seeds, without referencing books, or memorizing families after families of related crops.

Where to Start

The seed you start with is perhaps the most important aspect of it all.

With so many choices of seeds out there between grocery stores, catalogs, and the Internet, it’s difficult to figure out where to begin. It’s even more difficult to be motivated to learn to save seeds, because there is such an abundance of them available for purchase, or so it now seems. From one view, it may seem silly to waste time and energy on seed saving when it’s so easy to stock up on an item that takes so little space, and with so many places offering a variety of survival seeds for a very small budget.

But truth be told, this is a huge mistake. First, not all crops will grow in your area. This may seem like common sense, but it needs to be said. If you live in an area with a short growing season, you won’t be making tomato sauce every summer, and if you live in a hot climate, you won’t be growing many dark leafy greens. Second, the viability of seeds reduces with time, even if kept in the best of conditions. Seeds, like all stocked food, should be rotated as time goes by.

The growing season and temperature variables are not all-inclusive in your seed selection. Your elevation will matter, along with the amount of precipitation and type of soil. Rather than getting into detail on how to amend these issues, it is much easier to grow crops that are suited for your local conditions.

Your first decision will be to decide what crops you want to grow. Let’s make a pretend list, and say you want to grow the following:

  • Tomatoes,
  • Carrots,
  • Spinach,
  • Broccoli,
  • Cabbage,
  • Cucumbers,
  • Salad mix,
  • Potatoes,
  • Sweet potatoes, and
  • A nice melon to satisfy that sweet craving.

Let’s start with the tomatoes. There are so many varieties out there, you can get lost in pages upon pages of choices. It can be daunting and cost a lot of money. Here’s what you want to do. Find a few varieties that are known to be favorable for your climate, your elevation, and your soil. Look for disease resistance and look for non-hybrid, non-GMO, heirloom varieties. Also make sure the variety you choose does not require a second variety to pollinate. Most basic garden foods do not, but it’s still good to check. You should pick several varieties to allow you to experiment to see what YOU can successfully grow in your soil and climate. However, there is a key point to this: Experiment with growing ONLY ONE seed variety at a time. Pick one, just one and only one. Plant and grow that one seed variety to start. (I will explain why later in this article.) Follow the same selection process for the other fruits and vegetables, and select only one variety of each to try growing, initially.

Next, you must find where to get your seeds. Some of the varieties might not be available locally, so you may have to settle for a variety that you can find locally. The good news is, chances are if it’s grown locally, it already has most of the features you are looking for.

My first recommendation is to find a Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) in your area. Contact them and find out if they sell seeds from the locally grown food. If not, find out who they buy from. The reason I recommend a CSA is that it’s local, which means the food is grown in your locale, your climate, your elevation, and your soil. This means that this type of food will actually grow in your area, and these seeds are worth saving.

My second recommendation would be to find local farmers in your area, and see if they offer seeds. You may have to call or drive around a lot to get what you’re looking for, as many farmers specialize in mono (one crop) farming, so you may have to go to several farmers to accumulate what you want to start with.

Lastly, I recommend the Internet, but be careful. Call and ask questions. Find out where the seeds are grown, if they are genetically modified or genetically engineered (GMO/GE), and find out if they are hybrids or heirlooms.

A hybrid is a mix of two different parent plants, and its offspring will not be the same. Hybrids are great for disease resistance and temperature tolerances, but they are not good choices for saving seeds, because the seeds likely will not carry the same properties as the parent, and will not produce the fruit/vegetable you started with. Worse, some hybrids won’t produce seeds at all. When thinking of a hybrid, think of a female horse mating with a male donkey. You get a mule, which is a sterile animal that is a hybrid of its parents.

There are two reasons you do not want to buy GMO seeds. First, there is a significant amount of scientific evidence that GMO “foods” can be harmful to human health. I will not go into that here, as that is beyond the scope of this article, and an entire article could be written about that subject alone. Second, much of the time, GMO seeds are patented, which means that it’s illegal for you to save seeds from these crops and grow future crops using these GMO seeds. There are many situations where farmers have lost their business because their fields were accidentally contaminated by GMO crops, and because these crops were patented, they lost in court. It’s best to avoid this situation, so start with a product that nature created. Finally, note that some GMO plants were designed to not produce seeds.

Some might argue that saving seeds from a watermelon (or whatever) that you purchased at a chain grocery store is fine, but unless you know for sure that watermelon is GMO free, this is not a good idea. Also note, if you try to save a potato or a related family that you purchased in the store, there’s a good chance it won’t sprout because the distributors commonly spray them with a chemical to suppress the hormones that occur naturally in the root, which normally would cause the root to sprout. Depending on what chemical was used, you may be able to soak the tuber root in water for an hour prior to planting, but this is not a guaranteed method. So it’s really best you start off with something that is a sure thing with known qualities. Store-bought produce is a gamble. Potatoes you get from a CSA will probably sprout before you have a chance to use them. This would be a better option.

I also usually do not recommend starting with transplants. Usually, these plants have started off with ideal conditions that include a heating mat, moisture control, and whatever disease preventive spraying that took place. Unless you know exactly how that plant was treated from seed, and you can replicate these conditions for its offspring, do not buy it for seed saving.

Where the Seeds Are and How to Save Them

We are so used to buying products that are processed, that it’s difficult for the inexperienced to know how a cabbage or a carrot will develop seed. Some produce is obvious. A tomato is filled with seeds when you cut into it, and potatoes sprout. Those seem easy, but what does a cabbage or a carrot do? Some crops need two years, and some crops need the right temperatures to “bolt” (go to seed).

A tomato is fairly easy. You plant the seed, your plant grows, it develops tomatoes, they mature and turn red, and you eat it. Tomatoes are one of the fruits that you can enjoy eating and still save seed. You don’t need much; a few tomatoes will suffice. The tricky part is getting the seeds to store for a long period of time.

Tomatoes are special, because they’re one of the few plants where you will elicit the help of fungus to help you with your seed. The tomato seeds are covered in a gelatinous concoction that keeps the seeds from germinating inside the tomato. When gardening there are many cases such as this, when it is helpful to ask yourself a very important question: What would nature do?

At one point during life on Earth, plants reproduced without the help of humans, and nature helped these plants along the way. So when thinking about how plants might spread their seeds in nature, ask yourself: if you were a tomato, what strategy would you use to spread your seeds so that you would reproduce? First, you have to get the seeds out of the tomato and then you have to break down the gelatinous concoction so that they can sprout. Next, you have to disperse the seeds. So how would you do that?

Nature, or tomatoes, developed an amazing process. Imagine an animal ate the bright red (ripe) tomato, and then the tomato would be digested in the stomach of the animal as it moved to another location. The seeds did not break down during digestion, due to their protective coating, and then the animal would defecate in another location. Fungus would then help break down the gelatinous concoction, and the seeds would be firmly planted in the perfect roll of soil. Thus, the next generation of tomato would grow.

It doesn’t exactly work as simply as that, but close enough for the purpose of this article. The problem is it’s highly impractical to depend on wild animals to digest your tomato seeds to meet your needs. The solution is that you place the gelatinous-covered seeds in a container of some sort, add some water, cover partially, and let stand for 24 hours. The fungus that comes with the seeds will break down the gelatinous concoction. All you have to do after 24 hours is rinse, dry on a towel or paper plate, and store. No wild animals are needed. The important part is that you do not store the seeds until they are fully dry after rinsing them. I usually allow mine to dry for a couple of weeks on a flour sack towel. As a side note, some will argue that you need to keep your tomato seeds soaked for several days. However, recent research has shown that 24 hours is ideal, and allowing the seeds to soak longer reduces viability.

Carrots are a very different produce. If you eat the carrot, you can’t get seed. This is okay though, as you don’t need to save many carrots to get enough seed. One carrot can produce quite a bit of seed. The trick here is time.

Carrots need two growing seasons to produce seed. The first season they will produce the root vegetable that you would eat. If you leave it in the ground, then the second season, you will have flowers, then eventually seed. Again, you have to look at nature and what strategy nature, or the carrot, has employed. When you look at the flowers of the carrot you will quickly realize that whatever seeds develop will be very susceptible to the wind. This is where you have to beat nature and collect the dry carrot seeds before the wind scatters them. You may have to check your seeds often to see if they are ready. Watch the weather to make sure you don’t miss your opportunity to a windy day, and collect between rainy days, so that they are already dried on the plant. If the seeds don’t fall off in your hands easily, they need more time to mature. If you pick too early, they won’t germinate. It can be a bit tricky to learn when the time is right, and you may have to collect the seeds more than once from the same plant to get the most viable seeds.

Spinach requires that you learn yet a different strategy of nature. Spinach is a cool weather crop, and often times, unless you get a variety that is slow to bolt, spinach will go to seed if the temperature gets hot enough. With some varieties this can occur as low as 80 degrees Fahrenheit. With most spinach, you can harvest the leaves up until it bolts. This is nice, because you get the best of both worlds: you get to eat the spinach, and you get to save the seed. Just don’t eat the leaves once they bolt, as they won’t taste good, and the plant will still need to undergo photosynthesis through its leaves in order for the seeds to mature. I suppose if you have nothing else to eat, and you don’t need the seed, then go ahead and eat it, but again note that the flavor becomes much different once spinach bolts.

Spinach is unique because it requires two plants: a male and female. Spinach also requires wind to pollinate. This means that when planning on saving seeds, you need to save double the plants as you would for any other plant that doesn’t require both a male and female. The wind pollinates the spinach, and the seeds develop on the female once pollinated. The trick here is again time. The seeds usually turn dark brown when ready, but need to be dry. Because of the length of time to mature, some gardeners collect the spinach stalks, tie them in a bunch, and hang them upside down in a paper bag in a garage or other dry place. Then several weeks later, they shake the stalks and watch the seeds fall to the bottom of the paper bag. This method can also be used for collecting seeds from other plants, too. Exercise your judgment for when this method is appropriate.

Broccoli and cabbage are two plants that you do not get to enjoy and also save the seed. You have to pick one or the other: food or seed. I list these together because they are in fact in the same family. More on that shortly.

With broccoli, the very part that we eat (the “florets” or “crowns”) if left uncut long enough, will eventually turn into flowers. These flowers would then be pollinated by small insects (such as mason bees or certain flies). Once pollinated, they turn into pods, then mature, and then dry. Inside each pod you will have a few dark brown seeds ready for planting.

With cabbage, if the “head” (the part we eat) is left without cutting, it eventually splits open and grows flowers from the opening. The flowers are pollinated, then turn into pods, then mature, dry, and again, inside each pod, you will have seeds ready for planting.

It is a more difficult question to answer what strategy nature would use to spread cabbage or broccoli seed. Any plant that produces flowers, entices bees and other flying insects to pollinate it, which is great, but once the pods are dry, what animal would want to eat it? In these cases, no animal is required. The pod will continue drying out until it splits, and the seeds will simply fall out onto the soil and grow anew. All you have to do is collect the dry pods when they crack easily in your fingers. It is best to remove the seeds from the pods before storage.

Cucumbers are another crop that you can not both eat and save the seed. The seeds in the cucumbers that people eat are nowhere near ready for planting. Cucumbers must over-ripen, and the seeds will finally develop inside the over-ripened cucumber. In the wild, or nature, or whatever you want to call it, a cucumber would mature, become heavy, then start to dry after it falls off the vine. The seeds inside would continue to mature until the cucumber rotted, and then the seeds would be able to take life again, using the mixture of rotting cucumber and soil for nutrients.

To save the cucumber seeds, you want to let your cucumber over-mature, but not rot. Cut it open, remove and wash the seeds, and then let them dry. One way to tell viability is to see if the seeds float or drown during washing. Think about it this way. If it’s an empty shell, it’s likely to float; if it’s full of life, it’s likely to sink. Dry the sinkers for a few weeks, and store away.

Everyone likes a good salad with tomatoes and cucumber, and generally, salad of any sort is easy to grow. You pick it, and it grows right back. It’s a great crop to have around, and the best part, is that you can cut and cut, and still get seed. Once salad greens (most varieties) bolt, they become bitter and most gardeners stop harvesting. However, if you let them go, flowers spring up from the center stalks, the mason bees pollinate, and seeds develop over time. They produce lots of seeds, but you have to beat nature by collecting them before the wind sets them free. Just like carrots, you have to wait until they dry and fall off easily.

Potatoes can have seeds, but the viability of these seeds is usually not great. It’s really better to give up a few servings of mashed potatoes, and save some tubers for planting rather than trying to save potato seed. Again, if you consider the strategy of how potatoes will reproduce in nature, the potato has to do nothing but stay in the ground.

Eventually, the eyes of the potatoes will grow sprouts, and those sprouts will then grow new potatoes. The same will occur for sweet potatoes. The flowering period is usually an indicator of when to harvest the potatoes– six weeks after flowering. The same also applies for sweet potatoes.

So here’s your homework. What strategy would a honeydew melon use to spread its seed?

Too easy you say? Okay, what strategy would corn use?

What Family is What?

The best way to determine if different plants are related is by looking at two things: growth patterns and flowers. If two plants follow the same growth patterns and their flowers develop and look about the same, it might be that they are related. It’s best to choose only one of the plants to go to seed at the same time. If you allow two plants, let’s say broccoli and cabbage to flower at the same time, the bees just might cross pollinate. In this case, the seeds you get would produce duds, with neither the broccoli nor the cabbage producing viable seeds. This is why I recommend you start with one variety of each plant, so you reduce your chances of cross pollination, and thus seed failure.

When You’re Not Sure

Always ask yourself, what would nature do? Sometimes just sitting back and studying how a plant grows, at what point it develops flowers, or how it looks, can tell you a lot about that plant and the seed it produces. You can ask yourself questions about the plant, like how fragile the seeds are, how would they be spread, and so on. These questions can help you to figure out what it will take to save the seeds from that plant.

I haven’t covered cross pollination too much because I think it can be over-hyped for the simple gardener. Cross pollination only occurs if you have two plants of a related family flowering at the same time. First, if you only grow one variety at a time, as suggested above, you don’t have to worry about cross pollination because a carrot won’t cross with a tomato. Second, if you are set on growing two different varieties in the same family, you can prevent cross pollination simply by planting them at different times, or choosing varieties that take different lengths of time to mature. For example, if you have two tomato varieties, and one matures at 56 days, while the other matures at 80 days, AND, you pay attention to make sure they have not flowered at the same time, they will not cross. If you have two cabbage varieties that mature at the same time, but you plant them a month apart, AND, you pay attention to flowering time, again, you will not have cross pollination, as one plant will flower and produce fruit/seeds before the other plant flowers. A final way to prevent cross pollination is simply to physically isolate the plants. This could be done by separating the plants with insect netting for those that require insect pollination, or by separating in greenhouses or cold frames for those that are wind pollinated.

If you are someone who only grows one type of tomato, one type of cucumber, one type of dark leafy green, then you don’t have to worry about cross pollination. This is why I suggest you start out experimenting with one variety at a time.

However, this doesn’t necessarily mean that you can grow one of each kind of crop and not think at all about cross pollination; you still have to use your head. As mentioned earlier, plants in the same family can cross pollinate. For example, broccoli and cabbage are related, and to make matters more complicated, so is kale. If you were to compare seeds from all three, you would not be able to tell them apart. So if you plan to grow and save seeds from two or three plants from the same family, you will need to keep them sufficiently segregated, or schedule the planting so that they flower at different times.

So here is a rule of thumb to follow: If the flowers look alike, there’s a good chance they can cross pollinate. As a matter of fact, if you were to look only at flowers of broccoli, kale and cabbage, you would not be able to tell which is which.

The solution? If you want seeds, and you see flowers on different plants that are alike or very similar in appearance, decide which crop you want to save for seeds, and eat all the others. Stick to the rule of one variety per family blooming at a time, and you won’t have to worry about saved seeds growing into sterile duds or that won’t germinate at all.

When Nature is Confusing

There are plants that break all the rules, and even though they might develop a seed, they won’t germinate from seed, because they have found a better way to reproduce. Blackberries, strawberries, and other common berries are of this nature. Rather than going to seed, and dying, the root system throws out shoots and upon hitting soil, these shoots will develop roots, and thus you have a new berry plant. Those who swear off thorny blackberries and prune them to the bottom often realize only a short time later that the plant has found a way to beat them.

The up side to this is that we can use this method to our advantage. Let’s use fruit trees as an example. A fruit tree can take years to grow from seed before it is old enough to produce fruit. So people have discovered a shortcut: rooting. In short, select a branch, cut it off the tree, place it in water (and usually also a plant growth hormone), and that branch will develop roots. The advantage here is that you take a five year old tree branch, root it, and you have a second five year old tree. This also works with other certain long-maturity plants.

Plant hormone growth stimulants are not always required. In some cases you can simply place the branch in water and see if roots develop. However, the plant hormones do help by increasing the success rate. You can try sticking the twig in water, but sometimes diseases will race with the development of roots, and the twig will die before the twig has a chance to grow. With the aid of rooting hormones, the twig usually wins the race. A small container of plant hormone powder will go a long way, store for a long time, and take up less space than a bunch of trees for which you might not yet be ready.

Another trick that nature might play on you is that your seeds might not germinate. You did everything right, you collected them at the right time, and yet, the seeds just won’t grow. Again, you have to ask yourself, why would nature do this?

There are many plants, especially fruit trees, which require that their seeds be kept cool for a certain period of time before germinating. Basically the “right” conditions are required for the seeds to germinate. Though not a fruit tree, I’ll use the oak tree as an example. If you collect oak nuts (acorns) and plant them, chances are they won’t grow until the second year. Some seeds require a certain amount of cold or “freeze hours” before they will break dormancy and sprout. (Some berry plants and fruit trees will also not produce fruit if they do not get enough “freeze hours”. So make sure you get a variety that is appropriate for your climate.) This is nature’s way of making sure the seeds don’t germinate before the conditions are right. The seeds stay dormant until conditions are favorable, such as after winter. In cases such as these, it is possible to trick the seeds. Just place the seeds in moist soil in a plastic bag, and place it in your refrigerator for 90 days. This is called cold stratification. After 90 days, seed dormancy should be broken. This is kind of like mimicking winter, but using your refrigerator.

Where there’s a will, there’s a way. And if nature can do it, rest assured, so can you (usually).

A Quick Note On Storing Your Seeds

It is best to store your dried seeds in a cool dry place. Refrigerating your seeds will increase the length of time they remain viable. Most seed articles will recommend that you freeze your seeds for the longest shelf life. However, it is important to remove as much moisture as possible before placing them in the freezer, as water crystals in larger seeds, such as peas and corn, will cause them to crack and leave the seeds unviable.

The first step to removing moisture is to allow your seeds to dry at room temperature. I recommend a minimum of a couple of weeks. You can place the seeds on dry flour sack towels or you can also use other bedding, such as paper towels or paper plates. Next, place the seeds in coin envelopes or another paper storage container. I find that storing seeds in paper helps to absorb any extra moisture and allows the seeds to breathe. Once the seeds are dry and in a paper envelope, prepare a glass jar, such as a home canning jar. Pour oxygen absorbing desiccants into the bottom of the jar. These desiccants are included in packaging for a variety of products and can be saved and reused. You can cut open the packaging and collect the desiccants, and then dry them in the oven just prior to use. Be careful not to burn or melt the desiccants with too high a temperature. You will need to experiment with your oven and your desiccants to find what works best for you. I keep the temperature below 180’F. Once the oxygen absorbing desiccants are in the bottom of the jar, place the seed envelopes in the jar, put the lid on, and leave it be for about a week. Finally, after about a week, open the jar and quickly transfer the seed envelopes to the freezer.

Additional Tips and Tricks

  1. Practice, practice, practice. I just can’t stress this enough. If you think you’re going to dig into your seed vault after TEOTWAWKI and grow 10 acres of food without any practice, you are in for a huge and risky disappointment. It doesn’t work that way. You have to grow it, try it, and save seeds from it, based on the needs of your area.
  2. When you’re just not sure, and you’re not familiar with a plant, there are many things you can try. Fortunately, with produce, there are usually plenty of seeds, so you can experiment with different techniques.
  3. If the seeds won’t germinate, try adding heat, or try the cold stratification described above. You can also soak the seeds in water for 24 hours, or even scab them with a sharp object to help the skin break open.
  4. If you don’t have bees in your area (yep, those areas exist), invest in some q-tips, so when the time comes, you can move the q-tip from one flower to another, and hand pollinate. Or better yet, learn to raise honey bees.
  5. Seeds are usually edible. If you have so much that you will never plant it all, research if it has any nutritional value so that you can use it to supplement your diet. For example, pumpkin seeds, flax seeds, and sunflower seeds, among others, are great additions to a prepper diet. Also, for those leafy greens seeds, learn how to grow micro-greens (basically sprout the seeds and eat the sprouts).
  6. Only save seeds from your best plants. This is important enough that I am going to repeat myself: Only save seeds from your best plants. The better the quality of plant from which you get your seeds this year, the better the quality of plant you will get next year. The inverse is also true: Poor quality this year will produce worse quality next year, if anything at all. If a plant produces one seed, don’t waste your time, you’ll have zero next time.
  7. Sometimes it can take a particular variety two or three generations to adapt to your local conditions well enough that it produces a significant quantity of seeds. You can pursue this if you have reasons for growing a particular variety. However, do not make your food supply dependent on this occurring. A much better and safer approach is to find an alternative variety that produces seeds faster and more reliably in your locale without any adaptation.
  8. Don’t forget: The seed catalogs that offer many seeds often have plants grown in the best of conditions. That means that your plant won’t grow very well if you’re locale is anything less than that ideal condition in which those seeds were produced.
  9. Also don’t forget: Seeds can make a great barter item in a post-collapse world, especially if it is food that grows well in your area.

And always remember, when in doubt, ask the question: What would nature do?

I hope this article has provided a strong foundation for your seed-saving endeavors. I would like to provide good resources where you could get additional information on this topic. However, I have not yet found any books on this topic that I fully endorse. Two books that are worth reading are “Seed to Seed” by Suzanne Ashworth, and “The Complete Guide To Saving Seeds” by Robert E. Gough and Cheryl Gough. Please note, however, that your area and seed selection will determine the success of your seed saving, so use these books as general guides only.



Two Letters Re: Staying Mobile in a Collapse Situation

Hugh,

This was absolutely fantastic. As of today I am in the market for an old diesel, so I can apply this knowledge. – D.D.

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Hugh,

Felt the need to respond to this. The author mentions his emergency fuel, and it should be noted that it is just that– emergency fuel. However, it sounds like he is using this full time in his Cummins 12v and OM 617. (I have a Cummins and 616– a naturally aspirated 4 cyl little brother to the 617.) It is nice that he has tested the usability of his blend, but if he keeps that up his engine will be no good for the zombie apocalypse he is envisioning.

I used a blend of wvo and high octane gasoline in an emergency once in my Mercedes 616 to get me 5-10 miles down the road to the nearest station with diesel, when my lying fuel gauge stranded me on a long lonely stretch on I-95 at midnight. I had a quart of oil, a junk thermos in the trunk, and a credit card, so I was able to walk to a closed station with high octane and bring it back to my car and mix up a little over a quart of the stuff. I started with all the oil and kept adding gasoline until it felt like diesel between my fingers. It is worth mentioning that I used high octane gas, because it ignites at a higher compression and, theoretically, will make your mix less likely to pre-ignite in the diesel engine.

After that I was hooked on the idea of using a similar mixture as a year round diesel subsitute. To make a long story short, I have considerably less compression and fuel mileage than when I started, even now only using various petro and bio diesel blends like before. I’ve regained a little of what I lost with some TLC.

Another thing worth noting is that if one is bent on using a fuel that isn’t designed for the engine in non emergency times, then avoid using diesel motor oil. Diesel motor oil has additives in it that suspend the carbon (soot) that inevitably makes its way into the oil sump. The reason for this is so that the carbon doesn’t coagulate in the oil and cause consistency problems with the lubrication.

This is written in lay terms as much as possible and may need some editing, but I think it is very important for at least some of these precautions to be considered by the other readers, who may not have the experience or any sort of technical background, to guide them to more informed decisions. – S.C.



Letter Re: Preparing For Friends and Family

Thor1964.

You have a good heart. To come as far as you have in 24 months is a real achievement. Keep up the good work. I do want to point out that by doing your “Christian best” you are only delaying the pain of these people that will seek you for help. So, why not take the “help” up a notch. Instead of just giving them some food and a few items that will just bring them back to your door when they are desperate again, open that door and bring them in!

Don’t send these folks back out into a world gone crazy to try and survive alone. They are at your doorstep because they CAN’T! They are asking for assistance, not trying to take what is yours. This is especially true of those that you already know! I am not advocating for taking in every stranger that shows up, but the first people to come to you for help are those that know you, and they are looking to you for leadership and help! Friends, family, and neighbors will all be in the same boat– the one that is sinking. Because you are preping, you don’t just have a lifeboat, you are sitting on an island! You are the “dry land”, and no matter how much you give them a bit and push them away, they will come back and need more. So, if you are going to open that “Christian best” door and give them a month worth of supplies to “get them through”, why not get some really good value for those priceless supplies at the same time?

We all know the folks that we have tried to get to prep. We have all heard the “we will just come to your house” answers over and over. I say to that, “Good! We will really be able to use your help on night guard. Your wife can help cook in the kitchen. Even your kids can help with the chores. How about we get together and talk about what you should pack up in a hurry to bring with you?” That is how I have things set up with my whole family. They don’t prep; they know they are running to Momma when things get tough. They know I have done the preps for them and theirs, and that when they get here they will be a valuable member of our clan. Even though many of us don’t want to really face this, as preppers, we have been training ourselves to be clan leaders. All that we have learned, all that we practice, all the lists and preps and inventories, even right down to our gun collections, position us as the leaders our family and friends are going to need. The people in our lives are going to look to us, and if we are ready to take on that mantle in a loving, Christ-like way, we will increase all our chances of survival. So don’t just put together charity buckets. Load up more buckets. Think about housing and sanitation. Get more tools, and be ready to show these folks how to do what is necessary for everyone to survive.

Be bold with those you know are coming, and let them know you are getting ready for them to be there. Let them know that they will not have to go it alone back at their home; you all are going to group together. Let them know that they will have a job when they get there. It is insane to for anyone to think that in a survival situation that some will get to sit in the house while others do all the work. Let them know that will not be the way. They will NOT get to continue life like it was, and that they will have to work for their provision. Then put them to work right after that first meal! Even if it is just something small. Start as you intend to continue. “Everyone works; no one shirks!” is our motto here.

It may be tough for some. You may have to install some disciplinary procedures. You know best the personalities, and yes, there may be some that you will send away empty handed just because you know them! We all know folks like that, but with the help of the others that you have taken on, you can be secure in sending those away. There is safety in numbers. We will not be able to stand alone, so prepare for those that will stand with you. – J.O.

HJL Adds: An additional concept to think about is “authority”. Will the person whom you are bringing into your group subject themselves to the authority over the group? Without that, it is foolhardy to bring them in, no matter how charitable you feel. A person who has been part of your group and then ejected due to rebellious behavior is now a danger to you and your group. They alone may not be a threat, but the information they have about your “clan” may be enough to get them membership in another “clan” which can cause serious problems down the road.