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  1. I did not add AR’s to my inventory until recent years. Without the ability to reload, I could not have afforded enough ammo to feed them all. My cost to reload is $230/cs, and the accuracy is more than acceptable. MOA out of inexpensive mil spec rifles is good stuff . Today factory MOA ammunition would be spendy!

    7.62×39 is now $600/cs, and the shocker is .30-06. Apparently there were lots of grandpa’s rifles in .30-06 discovered in closets, and the ammo supply was thin due to falling interest. The least expensive soft point ammunition for hunting I can find is the usual Winchester Super X at….$5.00 per round. A single premium hunting ammunition choice, Barnes Vortex is $6.50! There are only 6 entries on Ammoseek.com for .30-06. All other common caliber ammunition is half or less.
    Good thing I got case of brass to reload. I was expecting 7.62 Nato to be higher.

    There is a point were the price exceeds one’s ability to purchase a practical quantity. .30-06 is there. The only thing that has not out performed ammunition this year is Bitcoin. Now is the time to sell that, and buy silver.

    1. Twelve year lows 1.5 years ago. The time to buy is when it’s plentiful and cheap. Not after everyone goes nuts. I told many people at that time to buy now, panic buying, election day was coming and most kept buying stupid chinese trinkets instead. Now they want me to sell them ammo.
      Nope, not my problem.

    1. I own 2 of the MC1sc and my two daughters each own one…no feeding problems at all…maybe your gun just needs a little break-in period…if that doesn’t help, contact Mossberg…

      1. It is a defensive handgun, I would hope a break in period is unnecessary, especially when ammunition runs 0.80+ a round when you can get it these days.

        Oh well, it was a serious question.

        I’ve been shooting for 40+ years, I’ve taught professionally for 2 decades, LE and military as a civilian instructor, all prior to current disabled status.

        I was hoping for an answer that wasn’t just *send it back*

        The turn around time right now is insanity, especially in that I have zero relationship with any manufacturer.

        Thanks again!

        I do appreciate the reviews! Outside of this handgun and my personal/and friends experience as well, have to agree with your approach in most!

        Thank you!

        1. Without examining the problem personally, I can’t give a definitive answer, but if you’ve been around guns as long as you say you have, then you must surely realize that, every now and then a bad gun slips through, or perhaps its a bad magazine…Thanks for writing…

  5. ”ammo for $799.99 per case – that comes out to about 80-cents per round for FMJ ammo. That’s almost criminal if you ask me – but people are paying it. I also note that this same dealer is selling imported Russian steel-cased .223 ammo for $699.99 for a case of 1,000 rounds – again, this is steel-cased ammo, not quality brass-cased ammo.”

    you have to lose that [deleted] mentality, the normalcy bias is too strong here. those old prices ain’t coming back or these prices are not dropping. if you can obtain ammo the prices are what they are. you should have a rifle you don’t mind shooting steel cased ammo in if needed worst-case scenario.

    nothing is going back to normal first the run on ammo and guns, next is the restrictions forced registration and then confiscation.

  6. “One place, and I won’t mention their name, is shamelessly selling 9mm FMJ imported ammo for $799.99 per case – that comes out to about 80-cents per round for FMJ ammo. That’s almost criminal if you ask me – but people are paying it.”

    ….yep! …..it’s called a in-elastic demand curve…..that’s when no matter how much prices go up people will still continue to buy….the same rip off pricing practices that American colleges and universities have been feasting on for decades…..have you noticed all the Russian Ammo coming into the U.S. market in the last year?…..the Reds know how to exploit an in-elastic demand curve when they see one…..

      1. Yep. If demand goes up, the price goes up. If it’s too expensive for you, don’t buy it.

        Terms like “Price Gouging” and “Greed” are socialist buzzwords used to get us to support price controls.

  7. Good article, I’ve looked at these handguns when I first seen them and really liked them, but l”m not a striker fired fan. I’ve looked at lot of them and turned them down for that one reason. I like the 1911 platform and currently carry a SA range officer compact 9. It’s delight to shoot and a delight to carry ( I have to watch where I go so as not to be arrested for carrying in places where it would be a felony ), but because of the bull barrel, it is a [blank Lily edit] to take apart to clean ( recoil spring guide and you need a ” L shaped wrench or paper clip ( both of which I’ve lost more than once )), so I’ve been keeping a eye out for a SA Ronin in a 9 in the commander size / compact size. Why a Ronin, it has a barrel bushing. And yes, the price of ammo isn’t normal, but then again we are living abnormal times. EX, communist takeover of the federal government and world health issues. Just my two cents

    1. Recently picked up a CZ 75 B omega. My first CZ. Oh my goodness. Went back the next day and they were sold out. If you find it and want it you had better get it. Crazy times.

      1. EAA Corp. imports the Tanfoglio Witness, built in Italy, and based off the CZ-75, same as the Bren Ten was. You’re sure to remember the Bren Ten as the primary sidearm carried by Crockett in Miami Vice early season or two.
        I don’t own a Bren Ten, but I do own a Detonics MK VI, .45 ACP, which was the “backup” gun Crockett carried on his ankle.
        Sorry, I stray off the subject at times. My point is the Witness can be purchased all steel or bottom plastic, in different calibers, and feels like a CZ. I’ve shot several owned by a friend. They shoot very well.
        While I’m at it, I also own a Detonics Scoremaster in .451 Detonics Magnum caliber.

        PS
        Sent my SB dues.

        Semper Fi

        Semper Fi

  8. This is a comment about gun reviews in general, not Pat Cascio’s review. When is the last time anyone read a gun review that ended with the conclusion being, “This firearm is a piece of (fill in the blank)?

    What we are seeing with regard to the ammo shortage is simply capitalism at its worst/best. The demand was high in the first few months of the China Virus. It took off like a rocket after George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose while in police custody. While much of the demand was due to first time gun buyers who finally understood that the world can be a dangerous place, and BLM/Antifa might be bringing a riot to their neighborhood, long time gun owners were impressed with the need to add to their stocks, most because everybody else seemed to be doing the same thing.

    To try to hold the price of limited production to, say, 2019 prices would be to simply transfer the right to make a profit to the purchasers who bought everything available and then sold it for massive profit. In 2012, Walmart maintained pre-Sandy Hook prices, but limited purchases to three boxes a day, no matter whether a box contained 50 rds. of .22LR or 200 rds. of 5.56. The gun counter cashier told me that one fellow came every morning an hour before the store opened. He sat in his lawn chair and read his newspaper. When the store opened, he went inside and if he found bricks of .22LR, he bought his three boxes–and then sold them on the internet. With prices around $75.00 a brick at that time, this would have resulted in about $150.00 in profit.

    I saw bricks of .22LR for

  9. Not only are people competing against increased consumer demand, we are also competing against our our government ‘requirements’. It appears from numerous purchase orders, that our government is once again in “stockpiling mode”.

  10. This is not intended to be a comment on Pat Cascio’s review, since I have never even seen this Mossberg pistol, but has anyone ever seen a firearm review that ended with the conclusion, “Don’t even consider purchasing this piece of (fill in the blank)?

    The China Virus started the ball rolling with the run on ammunition because a great many people became fearful of just how bad it would effect the fabric of society. Then George Floyd died of his fentanyl overdose while in police custody. Thereafter, a great many people then became fearful that BLM/Antifa riots would be coming to a neighborhood near them. As a result, we were then off to the races with ammo prices.

    It’s interesting how so many survivalists/preppers who are, in large part, conservatives, are screaming about ammo prices. It is capitalism at its worst/best. It is basic supply and demand. With demand like it is now, if prices remained at 2019 levels, some people would be buying all of the ammo and then re-selling it at a profit.

    Walmart kept its prices at pre-Sandy Hook levels during the last great surge in prices. It limited customers, however, to three boxes of ammo a day, no matter whether a box held 50 rounds of .22LR, or 200 rounds of 5.56.

    One reason Walmart could do this was probably because it was big enough to cause ammo manufacturers to fear that when the shortage was over, Walmart might stop carrying their brand of ammunition. A second reason was probably because it increased foot traffic in it stores, and that a customer buying ammo might grab a jug of milk, a new sweatshirt, and a new CD before leaving the store.

    The guy at the local Walmart’s ammo counter told me that one fellow showed up each morning an hour before the store opened. He brought a lawn chair and newspaper and sat there until the store opened. He then came inside and bought his three boxes of ammo, bricks of .22LR if they had it. He then placed the ammo for sale on the internet. This would usually result in a $150.00 profit, given that .22LR was usually going for $75.00/brick nationally. (I personally saw a vendor at a “prepper expo” asking $90.00/brick. When I said to him, “Are you serious?” he said that a vendor at the gun show in the next building was asking $120.00/brick.)

    While some people truly were unable to buy a considerable amount of ammunition due to financial limitations (which would have included me in my younger days) a great many people spent their discretionary funds on trips to Starbucks each week, restaurant takeout, a new set of golf clubs/running shoes, or maybe even a second chain saw (“2 is 1…).

    It is always clearer through the rearview mirror than through the windshield, and, as with most things in life, the choices we make have consequences.

  11. I’m stacking and packing for a move to my Idaho place ,,so ,i look at what I really need and how much things weight. A friend has a gun shop and helps out traing kids to shoot so I loaded up 40 one hundred round box’s of 12 gage trap and was going to give it to him for the kids to shoot up ,well started to unload it at the shop and nearly started a riot ,,we looked at each other and laffed ,long story short ,,sold the whole thing for .75cents a round. To one guy for silver ,,,that was last week ,, the kids will still get there ammo later this week ,
    He is selling my 9mm ammo for me with new guns,
    We closed our gun conner in the trading post in December and sold about a million rounds in 10 days ,all for silver , the trading post is a silver only place ,

  12. “that’s almost criminal if you ask me”
    Ammo is replacing fiat as one of the new currencies. Same as bitcoin, Ethereum etc. Food will do the same soon enough. A market is what it is, and takes a life of its own. Everyone had the same chance to buy ammo while it was cheap. Now ammo at these prices is Not for everyone–it is for those that have none. Many are glad to pay the price. Even at 3-4X retail I am reluctant to sell for who knows if it can ever be replaced. Call me a “gouger” if you want but I have sold some “as a public service” trusting that the buyer will put it to better use than I would. As they say welcome to the “new normal”.

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