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  1. Yes, the ECW gortex jacket is very nice. I found two at a local no-where thrift store in my size for about 5 bucks each. What good fortune. They took years to find. These are typically the good old Woodland pattern. These are worth the retail price of about $150.00 if you can go there. And get the pants if you can. Good gear like this is also shelter. The surplus market use to have plenty of West Germany gortex type jackets and pants under a different brand name denoting material that functions like gortex. These are now hard to find at that low surplus price. There is some gear that is worth paying extra for. This is it.

    I’ve also like the mickey mouse and bunny boots. They have their place.

  3. -42 this morning, before wind chill. She’ll be another nippy one today.

    For years I wore a pair of the Baffin winter boots. They are great, but not necessarily the best in wetter conditions. Bought a pair of the Muck boots (Also the Bog boots) and have found them to be good even at -40, as long as you’re moving to a certain extent. The toughest part with boots of any kind is always balancing between keeping your feet warm, and keeping them from sweating – cause once your feet start to sweat they will freeze. This is where good base-layer socks are important, and wearing more than one pair. If they get wet, change them.

    As you mentioned, keeping your hands warm is one of the hardest things. Not because there aren’t gloves/mitts that will do the job, but because you lose so much dexterity that it’s difficult to do anything with them on. Like you, I’ve found that a pair of surplus Canadian trigger finger mitts, with a good pair of wool gloves underneath tends to work about the best.

    For long underwear it’s hard to beat Helly Hansen, and they are a go-to in the oil patch for cold weather. A little expensive ($50-$75 for a pair of long-johns) but they are worth the money if you ever need them. At work I also used a pair of the Carhartt insulated bib overalls. And of course a good Carhartt parka.

    When I’m not working, but have to be out in extreme cold I have an old Siwash Wool Sweater that I tend to wear underneath one of the Koolah oilskin jackets. I’ve found over the years that this combination gives about the best combination of insulation and wind/water proof exterior.

  4. Working at ski areas in my youth, Sorels were the go to boot. Now they are no longer made in Canada and have thinner wool felt but still claim a -40 rating.
    Sam’s club seasonally around here has Omniwool medium weight wool socks which, I believe, are over 80 percent wool for a great 3 pack price. Always check wool content before buying what is marketed as “wool” socks.

    1. VERY GOOD ADVICE on checking the contents in socks. So many look and even feel like merino wool but when you read the contents – zero wool. I really like the Omniwool socks from Sams Club. I buy a three pack every year whether I need them or not. I wear wool socks from October until spring.

  5. In 1963 I got the world’s best lesson on winter weather, clothing and being prepared. Two friends and I went into the city for some fun. We took two cars because my parents had moved recently and I now lived in a different direction some 15 miles from where they lived. We drank some beer (well they did I never liked beer) and had a good time. we were dressed for the evening, a sports jacket, loafers and no jackets. About midnight it began to snow. We hung out until about 1 AM but it was really snowing by then and about 6 inches was already on the ground. So we drove back to where their car was and we parted ways. I was just getting out of the city when I screwed up and over confidence in my car ended up with me sliding into the curb pretty hard. Broke the front suspension. I could still drive straight by turning the wheel all the way to the right and I could turn right by backing up which swung the car around. So I found a place to park it and looked for some answer as to how to get home. I began to walk and found an open gas station. Asked if they knew of any tow trucks that might be running and they said everything was closed down. I called for a cab and got laughed at. Nothing was moving and the storm had become a blizzard. Being young and stupid I decided to walk the 18 miles to home (I was 20 YO). The first 10 miles was rough, my feet were soaked, my hair was frozen, my hands were cold and wet. It was miserable. By then there was about 12-16 inches on the ground. As I got to the 12 mile mark I was in the woods and at least the wind was not as bad. Hadn’t seen a car or a soul. I was thirsty and saw a small stream and had to lay down to drink out it. I did not want to get up I was cold and tired and had to force myself on. By mile 17 or so I was actually in the small town where I lived, it was 7AM and the snow was close to two feet deep and I had one mile to go. I made it home and fell into bed and slept for 8 hours.

    Since then I have never left the house in bad weather without thinking about that incident and bringing clothes (jacket, boots, hat, gloves, etc.) with me that was appropriate for the weather.

    1. OneGuy – great story and glad you came out OK. Reading every article in the world will never have as big of an impact as having experienced something firsthand. One of the things that got me into prepping was getting stuck in my car overnight in a blizzard – luckily I had my camping gear in the vehicle and I was able to stay reasonably comfortable, but ever since I’ve carried a full set of winter clothing, blankets, food and water in my car at all times during the winter.

  6. Thanks for the great information. One point regarding your first sentence under CLOTHING, in which you use the term “Mother Nature.” This is Satan’s invention to displace “Father God” and deny the LORD due credit for his wonderful creation.
    Just something to ponder.

  7. When I had to wear Sorel pacs every day for hours outside, even with layering socks and changing them the felt liners never dried out. Solution was to get a spare set of liners and dry one pair by the stove, switching them out every day.

    If you’re only venturing out now and then it’s not needed. I was working and hunting in the cold for 8 to 10 hours a day and night.

  8. Anyone familiar with this? Thoughts on this information about Muskox wool as an insulator compared to other sources of wool fiber?

    https://polarpedia.eu/en/muskox/

    We’re thankful for the happy ending in OneGuy’s story, and for the reminders about safety. We should all consider that we may face extended time in adverse weather conditions – and prepare accordingly.

    In addition to seasonal and transient winter storms, there is also the matter of the GSM. Ben at “Suspicious 0bservers” has a good series out on this topic, and suggests that we are already coming into contact with the galactic current sheet (which may actually be a double layer consisting of two sheets). Contact with this structure combined with the pole reversal in process promises interesting and potentially difficult and dangerous weather (and other geologic) events ahead. It appears that changes are already being observed within our solar system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHCiGd6qyQ&feature=emb_title

    Making this kind of risk arena especially challenging is that some of the change events will come subtly and over time while others may be acute and come without much or any warning. With this in mind, we encourage everyone to prepare to survive over the long haul with measures to address cold (clothing, shelter, food production, etc).

  10. That story about walking home was amazing. I always have Bunny Boots in the truck. On such a trek, I would not make it, but my feet might still be warm when they find me. One can sweat in these and the feet still stay warm. In fact I might use them today. But because these have been out all night in the truck they will be freezing cold. I will boil up some water and fill each boot until the water fills the part of the boot were the foot goes, and let the heat warm up the boot for about 5 minutes. I’ll dump the water, wipe out the excess water, and even as the inside of the boot is still damp, put them on with a thin sock. I’ll be warm for the rest of the day, and will never have to change socks, even if it is -20F. Unfortunately these boots are no good on ice, and do best if a very cold and fine snow. Have many kinds of boots for different situations. I still experiment. Have one pair so large that goose down booties can be worn. These do better on ice and where aggressive treads are needed.

    Protecting the feet is the most important thing one should learn how to do if living in cold country. If new to cold country, thrift stores are a good place to buy different types and try them out. The liners are often worth the price of the boot and can be used as a second pair of liners for your favorite pair. With the exception of Bunny Boots, staying dry means staying warm. Liners are removable, so they can be removed and thoroughly dried out. Moisture or sweat destroys the insulation’s ability to insulate, even the best wool, or the highest tech cold weather outdoor gear that can be as good as wool. Wearing a wicking base layer, top and bottom of a thin polyester, does help keep the sweat out of the insulating layer.. The principle applies to all winter clothing. Sometimes it is necessary to come inside and change at least the inner most layers of one’s clothing after excursion. Such is life in the American Redoubt.

  11. I work outside in Chicago all winter at the airports, windy as all h*ll. This year I picked up a pair of Duluth Firehose fleece lined pants. Can’t say enough good things about them, they block the wind like nothing and with a pair of long underwear my legs never get cold.

  13. FYI–Poly Fleece, even if coated to “not burn”, will vaporize when touched against the hot glass of a wood insert w/a roaring fire. I still have the jacket but is has a 12″x12″ hole in the middle lower back.

  14. So my mother (God rest her soul) always used to say that wool socks were Better for healthy feet. Something about the wool not allowing bacteria/fungus to thrive. No sure if that was part of her training as An MD (as in mountain doctor), old wives tale or what but I tend to think there is something to that. Anyone have any science for why this might be so?

    When I was in the Army we were still issued Wool clothing. The Woodland Camo Gortex jackets just came out as an authorized piece of uniform but was not issued, we had to buy them on our own. Was worth EVERY PENNY. Polypropylene long underwear was also just starting to be available too. It was warm, normally TOO warm and it seemed to be impossible to get clean after two weeks in the field. I’ve gotten rid of all of it. What I do like it the polypropylene thin glove inserts. I bought a bunch of those and they are so thin they are great to keep extra pairs in jacket pockets without have to worry about bulk or weight. I also still use a good old fashioned watch cap. Harder to find the 100% wool ones but actually the newer ones with a little polar fleece as a head band are great.

    I used to buy flannel lined jeans at Gander Mountain and they were nice for working in the cold as long as you didn’t get wet. Then I started to buy the fleece lined jeans and even a few pair of cargo pants that were lined.

    One of the items that I really like is the old US Army surplus White Arctic face mask. Looks like it has a built in N95 mask on it. They are cheap but very nice! I has love my welco extreme cold Mukluk boots. Great for deep snow so you don’t need gaiters. Only draw back is they are NOT hiking boots since there isn’t good arch support in them. Still swear by my Matterhorn’s!!

  15. I’ve run with wetsuits and diveskins for cold weather use. Even a pair of leggings can work wonders as long underwear. Guys, don’t be afraid to shop the women’s section for leggings. I’ve found that the women’s stuff fits better than the men’s stuff, and is easier to come by in thrift stores. In a pinch, even a pair of pantyhose will add quite a bit of warmth.

    With wetsuits, you won’t loose heat as fast as in water, so you have to watch for the possibility of overheating. The new neoprenes are much warmer and flexible than the stuff available back in the 80’s. I have a titanium foil lined suit that is only about 3mm thick, yet protects almost as well as 7mm suits of the old stuff.

  17. I spent a weekend in the mountains of New Mexico elk hunting and became a wool convert. No showers and freezing temps. My polypropylene unders would smell terribly. The wool didn’t smell at all for the entire time. The anti-bacterial properties had a lot to do with it.

  18. I must be a ghost because I have to have died from wearing cotton working,serving and playing in all weather for over half a century. Synthetics are overrated,Goretex soaks through fairly quickly in steady rain(pvc/rubber doesn’t),the german surplus is far superior. Polypropylene underwear doesn’t stand up to repeated washing. Could never stand wool next to my skin(itchy) so always layered cotton underneath and learned the real problem is sweating/overheating and failure to acclimate. Some of the best gear available is from CycleGear for cold weather motorcycling (underwear,glove/boot liners,balaclavas even heated gear that can be battery powered). For work a set of Carharts or insulated coveralls,surplus helmet liner/cold weather hardhat liner,mitten/gloves(gloves with finger cover that pulls pack to allow writing/touch screen manipulation). For a test of your gear try 3 days/nights outside no cover,no fire,2 warm meals a day , 0F- -20F,sleep in snow or dig down to ice or a steel truck bed. What really works is trapping air between layers.

  19. I am a firm advocate of natural fibers. Wool is wonderful since it will keep you warm even when wet. My other favorite, especially for long johns, sock liners and glove liners, and for scarves/mufflers is silk. My favorite bed sheets for winter and in humid climates are cotton flannel. Percale sheets get cold and clammy and stay that way all night, causing me to get chilled, shivering and not sleeping well all night.

    To help get rid of the itchiness of wool, wash it in cool or warm water with washing soda and your usual laundry soap/detergent and dry it on a cool setting before wearing it. If it shrinks too much, you had the temperatures of either the water or the drier set too high. You might even want to buy clothing a size larger than normal so you can afford the shrinkage if you use higher temperatures. What makes most wool scratchy is the sizing used by the textile mills. The more fabric they can get out of the least amount of resources increases their profits. Therefore, they do what they can to weave the fabric and finish it as thinly and as loosely as they can. Then, they use chemicals to maintain those properties and dimensions. Those chemicals are not your friends. By washing and drying the wool fabrics, you are also “fulling” the fabric, tightening the weave and making it thicker so it keeps you warmer and drier. I have sewn numerous items of historical reenactment garb using wool fabric. I always wash and dry the fabric (using high temperatures) immediately after I bring it home so that all chemicals get removed and so that I get most of the shrinkage over with before going to the trouble of cutting and sewing. I have not had any issues with itchy wool since I started doing that. If using silk, wash it in the machine with shampoo instead of detergent, if you are worried about it. I have some items that are blends of silk and wool. I wash and dry them as if they didn’t have any silk in them at all. After using them outdoors, in all kinds of conditions, they still look like new and are warm, even when wet.

    My biggest problem with synthetics is the fact that they melt upon contact with heat and flame. In fact, many of them will melt into your skin rather than burning and turning to ash. That translates into more serious burn injuries than you would get with natural fibers. That might not concern you now but if we lose The Grid, we will be using open flames for most of our heating and lightIng needs.

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