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One of the stories that was told to me by my father about my grandfather was about laws to live by. One of the things that he said was ” every body needs the bible to live by, but the problem is and was the people who interpret the bible according to what they think it should be and not the way it was written “. He also said the same thing about laws of the land, the laws are interpreted to what the lawyers / judges think they should be or what they want them to be and not the way they are written “. And it seems that lately that a lot of the laws that are being written and passed or the current laws are being modified for certain types of agendas. Just my two cents. Oh and about the bible part, my grandfather had a younger sister that was assaulted and raped by a catholic priest and the bishop of that time period wouldn’t do anything about it, the up start of it was that my great grandfather with his family moved to the local lutheran faith.
“The protective tariff is a violation, by law, of property.” said by Frederic Bastiat in the article.
It’s an >intellectual idea, that doesn’t work in the USA. The Founding Fathers recognized the need for Tariffs on foreign goods. The US Constitution provides for “… lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; …” Before the Income Tax, these type of taxes were a principle source of income for the Federal Government.
Recent history has demonstrated, that the Global Businesses in collusion with foreign governments were draining American jobs and businesses, and then placing jobs and manufacturing in foreign countries; principally in China.
Donald Trump campaigned on the idea, that he would be President of the United States and NOT a crony for China and Europe [NOT a sock puppet for foreign interests].
The Globalists Business controllers want to pay the lowest ‘slave-wage’ possible. That idea is contrary to the Christian idea of the ‘common good’ for a people. The Globalists want to >reduce everyone’s wage to a slave-wage.
From TheConservativeTreehouse = “… the dynamic is severely consequential and the Wall Street multinationals are reacting to the daily details while Main Street gains strength. President Trump is dismantling global supply chains; focusing on bringing high-wage manufacturing industry back to the U.S; and driving a process of profound consequence through economic nationalism.”
“Titan Trump is winning the economic battle by: (a) repatriating wealth (trade policy); (b) blocking exfiltration (main street policy); (c) creating new and modern economic alliances based on reciprocity (bilateral deals); and (d) dismantling the post WWII Marshal plan of global trade and one-way tariffs (de-globalization).”
[Tariffs and restrictions were placed on the USA. Our politicians and business controllers were selling out America. … We’re in battle for America; the economic War is NOT over yet. The Globalists and their political cronies are trying to get rid of Trump, and then ultimately destroy America as we know it.]
GGHD, first I agree there are many instances of wrongs perpetrated against the U.S. by outside influences. These wrongs of our own making. I’m an Anti-Federalist, we did not effectively ‘chain the beast’ and it has gotten loose and totally destroyed our liberties. “We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it!” Benjamin Franklin….we have lost it, there is no way I see anyway to retrieve it. I hope I am terrible wrong but the repetition of history does not bode well for a positive outcome. Sorry to say, our Republic was founded on a flawed foundation. “All men a created equal”, accept……. Liberty, accept…….Justice, accept,… States Rights, accept. There can be no compromise we have LIBERTY or SLAVERY, they are completely diametrically opposed. We planted the seeds of Liberty in the New Word but we watered them with the infectious diseases of the European Monarchies. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN I SAY IT IS OUR FAULT? The basic understanding of the Founding Fathers and those in the majority in the United States of America, up until the Civil War, was that all Sovereign Individuals, States and Nations had the right to determine their own destinies without coercion or interference. France assisted us during the Revolutionary War and was very upset that we would not intervene on her behalf with her ongoing war with England. Basically we believed that we wanted to have commerce and trade with all nations of the world but we did not want to get into any entangling alliances with any nations, notably the European Monarchies. It has always been the intent of the International Power Elite, stemming from the Monarchies of old, to rid the world of this disease called the American Republic! Why because they cannot control a Republic. Entry into WW1 was the destruction of U.S. Sovereignty we became member of the ‘good old boys’ club. We took the bait with the establishment of the Fed and swallowed it hook, line and sinker with our entry into WW1. Looking at history can not you see the downward spiral of our Nation from that point? Yes we have had great force within the WORLD, but the infectious moral decay we inherited from the Socialist States of Europe have eaten us from the inside.
Eam, you have a good reply. Your letter is capable of a stand alone article. You also are a good writer. You just need >paragraphs, for ease of reading. [Paragraphs are your friend]
Your words flow well when you write. JWR is a professional author; he knows how to write. … [I have a ‘choppy’ style of writing, because I’m an amateur. Eam, your flow of words is very good.]
+ You are RIGHT! = We can’t go back to the days prior to the Big Federal Government. Too many people want socialism, and the ‘free to them’ stuff from the government. Too many people are on the Gravy Train; too many politicians ALL over the USA depend on the money made through the Globalists.
Trump says, ‘Bring the good JOBS JOBS JOBS back to the USA! Stop the flow of illegal drugs and illegal aliens! Make America Great Again!’ =
A huge number of Democrat voters, with the Democrat politicians [& >many Republican politicians] all started shrieking like Dracula, being confronted by Trump holding a Cross.
Joe Biden and his son Hunter, with their pocketbooks being filled by foreign governments, are just >typical for most politicians. Many of our politicians are being paid to destroy our country.
[The Biden information is only readily available in the Fake News, because the Globalists want another Democrat to run for President against Trump.]
There are several sources to download this as a PDF at no charge.
This is a lot to digest whole.
As I work on that, I have what I think is a contrary opinion.
Bastiat says, ” Under the pretense of organization, regulation, protection, or encouragement, the law takes property from one person and gives it to another; the law takes the wealth of all and gives it to a few—whether farmers, manufacturers, shipowners, artists, or comedians.”
As I was waiting for the bus on a below zero windchill morning in my frigid city, I saw two snowplows approaching on the county road. They were working in tandem, one thirty yards behind the other. The lead plow was in the left lane throwing snow into the right lane for the following plow to push to the curb. Well orchestrated. Paid for by my tax dollars, as was the recent repaving of the road (so smooth these days). Then the bus picked me up and took me downtown where I caught another bus taking me to see my doctor. Both paid for by my tax dollars.
In this case at least, I observe money taken from the many for the benefit of the many. Yep, there were quite few cars and delivery trucks on that county road. My property taxes helped make their journey easy.
Maybe I’m missing something here. As I said, I see many benefiting from the money taken from us. Even if some fat cats got fatter from the paving, buying the plow-trucks and buses, or even the traffic lights, I’ll live with that. The wealth I observed was the tangible (as JWR says, Invest in tangibles) transportation system that gave each us using it a simpler day. I am grateful.
Carry on
Once a Marine; always a Marine: You have a >good American approach to the purpose of government.
Frederic Bastiat is a dead Frenchman. His ideas may different from our American approach to a Federal form of government. … We’re Americans with a very >successful approach to creating wealth, for as many people as possible.
I think many people, now days, are upset about the transfer of wealth occurring, because of the actions of the government. The money flows from the working group of people, to people that seem to be improvident and less diligent when working. =
……. Some people are willing to help push a wagon down the road; other people seem to want to stay in the wagon and have a free ride. [Plus, they are scornful of the ‘fools’ out pushing the wagon.]
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Governments have always provided for roads and streets; plus, everything else needed to maintain a city.
[Your example of snowplows and a good public transportation system is one for our modern cities. Such government services are needed.]
With our modern wealth, many people cast aspersions on the >lack of government activities in the >past. … The governments in the old times built ports, provided for navigation aids and such for the ships. Roads were built, a postal system was created (It’s in the Constitution). >A police force and legal system was created to protect the citizens.
1. “The original Erie Canal cost $7 million to build and this was carried out over the years 1818 to 1825. The legislative act allowing bonds to be sold to finance the canals’ construction …” [From Internet]
2. The first continental railroad = “Construction was financed by both state and US government subsidy bonds as well as by company issued mortgage bonds.” [From Internet]
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The people in the towns in early America built their own streets. The USA was such a vast place, building connecting ~well built roads took time.
Wikipedia has an article about Roman Roads. [Rome and the roads were NOT built in a day.] It’s an interesting article about the well built Roman Roads.
The Founding Fathers set up a Federal System of government. America as a whole never wanted to do away with government. The idea of a ‘common good’ for everyone is part of our history, and our understanding of the purpose of governments.
……. [FIY: I like the idea that a government should serve the >common good. I do NOT like a government facilitating a large number of people, to spend their lives only smoking weed & watching television. [All through taxing the working people]
……. [FIY: I also believe that the >common good is served, when our taxes support people physically or mentally unable to work.
>Though many ‘weed smokers’ have smoked so much weed, they can’t do anything else, but watch television, and scorn the taxpayers paying the bills.]
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Aye, a community and a good state is a community Needs ressources to function, to provide Services like law, law enforcement, public roads, public Transportation, security from fire Fighting to Military…
The People working in that ´ve the Right of decent wages and working conditions(the Problems with going cheap on that should be obvious) or Profits.
Maybe an entepreneur got fatter on the Profit margin, but as Long as he delivers decent work at a fair Price i see Nothing wrong with that OTOH the Person who refuses to pay his due but uses the road is taking a free ride on other peoples work, Money and property.
Once a Marine gave an excellent example of taxes being used for something beneficial and, dare I say, made it sound downright efficient.
The bigger issue at hand is a question of morality: does someone have the right to take what isn’t theirs simply because it serves a common good? If I cannot go to you and demand money for something everyone agreed was good (while I agree it’s highly unlikely to get everyone to agree on anything these days) and me and a friend can’t “decide” to take your money, no amount of mental gymnastics will turn an immoral act into a moral one.
You cited property taxes, which is a perfect example of what’s wrong with America. The American dream is to “own your own home”, but NOBODY owns their own home in America, even if they’ve satisfied their mortgage and are free from the bankers. The government owns every single person’s home in this country and we rent from them. Think otherwise? Try not paying your property taxes and see who really owns YOUR house.
If I were to go into your home and take most of your stuff, but leave a nice steak dinner on your dining table, maybe you might decide, “heck, he took all my pots and now my fridge is empty and I have no cash to get take out, so I’ll enjoy this steak dinner”. Does that make me robbing you moral because you benefitted from my “visit”. No, I think not.
I think we need to decide what kind of government we need, if any, pretty soon. I know the thought scares people. I’m not proposing [having] no leaders. People gravitate towards people who have the ability to lead in a particular arena.
The difference between a leader and a politician and a leader is that you can decide to stop following a leader the moment he ceases acting in your best interest. A politician can stay, and you are legally obliged to follow, under the implied threat of violence, which is all government has. Voting has little to do with it.
It’s two weapons are its ability to get the people to “believe” it has the moral authority to rule them, and a monopoly on violence. State violence is called “war” and “stopping those who oppose law enforcement”. We would be terrorists.
We are told that its mandate is the “Consent of the Governed”. Consider that phrase. Consent means to voluntarily give permission to, while to be governed is to be ruled. If you consent to something, why on God’s green earth would you need to be ruled?
Food for thought.
Question from the other side:
Has someone the Right to Benefit from the taxes Paid by others, work done by others and refuse to pay and serve his reasonably fair share?
So then answer another Question, why you ´ven´t left this community if you didn´t want to pay your share?
Jim,
I think this man’s writing cuts to the very core of our problems in the United States today. This book should be required reading for high school students in their senior year as they are getting ready to go out into the world. I’m 66 and have never heard of this book before so I feel as if I have been done a disservice by the public schools I attended.
I perceive that once the rot of Socialism has infected a society the pervasiveness of the decay will make the remedy as painful as the disease. We are so far down the road of destruction that it is difficult for us to even accept that fact that most all of us have been infected with the disease. How many people do honestly know that do not participate in the system?
Here again is why I think it is inevitable that ANY system that negates the will of the individual will fail. Liberty is a stern taskmaster. Liberty is the individuals ability of choose any given course of action. To the extent that you are not at LIBERTY to choose you are not FREE. For a society to be FREE we must allow all individuals the right of LIBERTY.
To the extent government forces upon me courses of action I choose not to pursue I am a SLAVE to that government.
Why don´t you flee ?
Thankyou G3Ken and ThoDan:
It’s a sad state when you have to preface w ‘from the other side’ on this site.
There is no ‘other’ side. There is the right side.
Others:Enjoy that $2 bus ride, that really is 30. I paid for it.
‘Government’ builds nothing, provides nothing.
You’re delusional.
Your neighbors(like me) paid for that. You’re welcome.
You boomers are the problem, not the solution.
Conservative/ Republican: conserving Democrat policies from 10 years ago.
I don´t enjoy it and i Paid for it, and 30 steps from my door there is a road which the council of my City or County ´d let build bit farer away is the Railway where the goverment of my Nation did the same as well as the Autobahn i regularly use to get to work and home but the backup of Railway and public Transport has it´s uses, the same as law enforcement and Police…
if we don´t want that we wouldn´t vote for politicans to implement that.
built from the taxes of my Father, maintained by my taxes and sorry i´m not a boomer, i´m a few years to Young for that.
Robstorm….I’m being honest, I’m not sure if you’re referring to me as being on the other side, or as a boomer.
I’m a nut for spreadsheets and the wife and I have paid over 1.4m in taxes thus far and I’ve yet to crack 55 and my wife is a couple years younger.
I abhor the idea that I’m “not paying my fair share”, when in truth what that means is that half the people are paying NO share at all and they want people like us to pay for the shares of yet more people.
I don’t discuss this at home, because my wife gets upset because she knows inherently what it’s going to come down to one day. We are planning on moving west of the Mississippi (but not a coastal state) in 2020, as I can’t do New York anymore. I’ve spent all but my five years in the military here and it’s just unbearable.
I don’t see the federal government ever letting states go their own way in peace. They will use force. I know how I’ll respond. I know what will happen to me in all probability, but I’ve made peace with the possibility.
The issue was NOT settled in Appomattox, despite what the left states. The nation’s founding document, the Declaration of Independence clearly states what happens when a government becomes destructive. I think we are long past that, but there are so many damned fence sitters, myself included.
Who knows what will happen. I pray if the worst does, I’m still young and fit enough to do something. I might be almost 55, but I can still get a first class USMC PFT score….not for my age, but for an 18 year old. I hope to keep that level for a bit longer.
ThoDan, In my younger days I had considered flight, but at last I have never gotten a “get out of jail free card” a passport. Do you have any idea how abhorrent the concept of a passport would have been to the founding fathers? That is one of our problems, we have been so conditioned to the evils they have become NORMAL to us. Yes, I do agree, the U.S. is still the freest country on earth and in the same breath, isn’t that a shame. If we would have held true to the ideals of the Republic where could we be today?
excuses, excuses
I really couldn´t care less what the founding fathers found abhorrent, and what not, i find slavery more abhorrent than taxes without representation they found the later worth a war.
We´re in the 21 century not in the 18th anymore, the world has changed tp the better.
You don´t Need a passport to flee your Country you Need one to lawfully travel into to most other but not if you ask for asyl
The acceleration of knowledge has opened the door for the truth to be understood. This move to world government was not by chance. It was and is an intentional series of acts to enslave the worlds population. Today we speak of socialism, tomorrow it’s totalitarianism with a solid communistic base enforced by the UN. It only gets worse.
We are now enlightened to the evil moves of a core of elitists who truly do want to rule the world, and profit mightily in the process. On the backs of you and I. It’s easy to look at the basics, power, roads, sewage, etc…..yet realize, there is an inherent inefficiency in federally controlled programs, common core and the present medical situation are prime examples. With states in charge we had local responsibility, not so with the feds. We’ve learned much over the last twenty years due to this internet, and we know we are at a cross roads that has never been map for the present day players. We know their intent, their agenda, their methods, their goals and how that plays into our “Republic”. It is freedom or slavery. It is hugely freedom or slavery.
Then a critical thinker might even dive into the Bible and see what it has to say about this day and age. 1948 setting the clock ticking to the final act. 2020 will be the year people either see perfectly, or fail the final test.
Above all, never surrender. Go Galt