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1. This is good! I can’t wait to hear more! I especially love hearing about those who are around the age of my husband and I, and have the dream of a BOL, and how you got there.

2. As someone who lives close to many amish your observations of them are spot on. I suspect that if they ever start getting murdered or their women raped in large numbers that they will turn to self defense. The amish have off grid infrastructure down to an art and a science. However there achilles heal to all that is small gasoline engines. Mostly honda but I’ve seen some subaru engines as well. These engines are used to power well pumps, washing machines and all sorts of other items. This opens up a trading opportunity for well prepared survivalists as they will still need fuel and oil to run these engines.

   1. Homer,

      I was at an benefit auction at an Amish homestead this past weekend that was raising funds to help pay Amish medical bills. When I saw them ogling 2 freezers, along with seeing numerous homemade “power plants” made with small engines it dawned on me how they have become dependent on gasoline. I have several copies of the FEMA booklet on building wood gasifiers printed out that can be shared with them and others. They definitely are more than capable of fashioning a wood gasifier out of scrap.

3. Please clarify what you mean by, exactly, “ the disadvantages of being too close to Amish and Mennonites” you refer to in one of your sentences around the surrounding community as it relates to the rest of us as Preppers ?

   1. I did not write this article, so I cannot speak for him. As someone who has spent years living quite closely to Amish communities, I speak only from my experience. By and large sir, they do not like you. By and large, they will not interact with you if it does not serve their commercial interests. If they pass you injured or in distress on the side of the road, in all likelihood, they will not help you. They are likely to view any ramifications of societal disruptions effects on you as Gods judgement on you specifically. Try speaking with them about something that does not effect them commercially, and you are quite likely to be completely ignored.

      I realize this sounds as if I am denigrating the Amish, and I do not mean it to. They are who they are, and have absolutely every right to be that way. They don’t hurt anyone, anywhere.

      But if you are looking for what are considered good, like-minded neighbors, I’d largely suggest that you look elsewhere.

      1. Jason,

         People are people- if you walked into an inner-city neighborhood you would probably get the same kind of treatment. I tend to think and believe that they have a stero-type of us too (and vis-versa) that creates artificial barriers. I had a great conversation about an old potato harvester and manure spreader just this weekend with an Amish fellow. The Amish guy I was talking to didn’t own either. Just a nice chat on admiring the handy work of a third party. With that said, I also think it depends what Amish you are dealing with too as they have different beliefs amongst the different sects.

   2. Squirrel 44,

      When I look at “things” I look at them through the SWOT analysis. SWOT stands for Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats. The strengths and Weaknesses are internal while the Opportunities and Threats are are external. So looking at the Amish (and to some extent the Mennonites) there are many Opportunities due to their life style. They are off-grid, industrialist, hard-working and God fearing people. The Threats are however (in my mind) that they could be a magnet to who are not prepared with the exception of a bunch of guns and ammo. The threat then extends to having to help provide over a very large area and they may not help in that endeavor. My thought is they may at least provide personnel for Listening and observation posts (LP/OP). But again that will depend upon the elders of a specific community. As Homer pointed out above, they have become addicted to gasoline. Going back to the SWOT analysis model if you know their achilles’ heel (a threat) we can plan on dealing with that issue now. So when the gas dries up we can teach them how to make wood gasifiers. If we can keep their community safe and running it will benefit the larger community (an Opportunity).

      What if they do decided to defend them selves? They would probably shun all non-Amish or non-Mennonites. Having GOOD pre-SHTF relationships with many in the local Amish community will help in gaining access to their community in a post-SHTF environment.

   3. Many of the farmers and tradesmen I know complain about losing business due to price undercutting by the Amish in our area. They are not my competition, so it doesn’t affect me personally. However, it can tend to have a deflationary effect on wages and quality in a given market.
      I buy ag supplies from several Amish outfits. Some are great to deal with. Others lie to your face and rip you off. I only deal with the former.

   4. Also, they (Amish) are widely known poachers. They seem to have zero regard for hunting laws in my area.

4. I live in middle Tennessee with a goodly population of Mennonites. Literally all of my interactions with them has been friendly and positive. Hard working, religious, honest, modest, with well-behaved kids and conservative dress and behavior. They have helped me extensively over the last 20 plus years on building projects here on my farm. Quality work, reasonable prices, and dependable.

5. Thanks for writing this article! It really hits home for me! I can’t wait to hear how it turns out!

   We purchased a BOL/retirement property last year. Unfortunately it’s a 15 hour drive to get there! The main draw for us was to be close to the grandkids in retirement so the added distance was acceptable. We have a plan in place where we should be relocating in 2-3 years. As long as the world stays together for that time span we’ll be OK.

   Like you, I had very specific wants and needs for the property. After almost 2 years of searching we found something that was 99% perfect. We couldn’t swing buying a piece of land with a home so we have 15 acres in Northern Idaho with a year round stream. Next year we will have power and a well. The following year we should be starting to dig the foundation for the basement.

   We just got back from there last week. We went to cover the travel trailer and bring home some tools. There is so much work ahead of us, but it’s work that makes a person feel good and right.

   1. CA_X2B,

      Thanks but perhaps we should have called it the never ending story? Always something to do to maintain or improve the homestead. I did want to build new simple because of what I saw may mom and step dad go through. It takes a lot out of a person. They did most of the work themselves, I learned a lot, wish I could have learned even more. Their story ended in divorce. When I first started looking for places I offered to buy their old homestead that I helped build. My step dad said he just could not part with it even though he doesn’t live either and the place is just falling into decay. I hope to be able to hand this place over to the kids. We have even talked about starting a trust.

      Good luck with your project, if you have time let us know what your doing to build and improve your place.

6. Great article so far, looking forward to part 2. Very interesting use of the census info!

7. Your conversation about Amish people reminded me of a book I have noted here before. A review is below.

   An Amazon Best Book of July 2017: When the English Fall is a fascinating, dystopian novel that uses journal entries to recount the unraveling of present day society from the point of view of an outsider community. The journal’s author is an Amish man named Jacob, who firmly believes in his religion’s dedication to peace, family, and community. It is in his words that the story begins and ends, as day by day Jacob records his family’s life on their Pennsylvania farm and their interactions with the English. When an unprecedented disaster brings nearby cities to a grinding halt, the cities’ inhabitants turn to the Amish farmers for help; but they also intrude upon them with violence. As lawlessness and acts of savagery intensify, Jacob’s peaceful community is forced to make hard decisions. Author David Williams grants us access into a closed society, a reminder of how reliant the rest of us are on technology to sustain our way of life—and that even the most steadfast will struggle in the face of chaos. When the English Fall is a gripping story, with an ending that made me want to go back and read it all again…–Seira Wilson

   Carry on

   1. Once a Marine,

      That book sounds interesting- thanks for the heads up

8. You can’t live without salt. Don’t fall into the trap of that nutritional misnomer. High blood pressure is not from dietary salt intake, it’s from refined carbs and low exercise. You are messing with your thyroid in a way that will create a whole new set of problems. I’ve even seen it happen with a coworker who was on a “low salt” diet with also low fat (another stupid idea) and he ended up with a hypothroid condition because his iodine and electrolyte hungry master hormone gland didn’t get what it needed. Eat salt until it’s too salty. Listen to your body. God designed it like that for a reason. If you crave salt that means you need it. If any salt is too much, you’ve got enough. Try to find a good iodine supplement like the nascent kind ole Alex Jones peddles. Just, please… don’t cut the salt. Cut the sugar and refined carbs instead.

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