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  1. Great post. You have already written the message that I am soon to send to family members out of state. I would like to copy this. Thank you very much and God be with us all that have heeded His warnings.

  3. Alas Babylon.

    A code word or phrase that is the signal to execute the evacuation is a good idea for those in position to have some foreknowledge of a disaster. Impending war, incoming Solar Flare CME, tsunami, etc.

    It can also work as a notification that you are heading to the redoubt in slower moving disasters like rioting, civil war, wildfires, etc.

  4. If the description is accurate, “S.A.” is obviously blessed with a location that is unachievable by most survivalists/preppers. This place sounds like Survivalist Nirvana. If these policies are workable, then more powe to “S.A.” I am envious.

    One issue to be addressed, however, is that if in-laws are being welcomed, these in-laws will have in-laws, so on, and so on. A domino effect will follow.

    Even if “S.A.s” place has the capabilities and resources described, the resources are finite, and tough decisions would need to be made. “S.A” can only accept so many people who show up at the door with a knife, a fork, and an empty stomach.

    Where does “S.A” draw the line?

  5. Great post. Articulates a lot of thoughts that most of us have when considering who gets to bug out at our place and who doesn’t. Thanks for the excellent post.

    Tom

  6. S.A. sounds like a VERY Generous person and probably has major patience and conflict resolution skills that most of us could only dream of having…My self preservation meter spiked reading it tho….. My tribe knows the drill and they have their marching orders and contingency plans in case they are caught outside the redoubt area when the balloon goes up.

  7. My goodness, what an excellent and refreshing post. Basic, common-sense and not just “by the book”, it is the book.
    A blueprint for those of us who have been blessed with or have earned, through work and sacrifice, a place to gather our people in an effort to not only survive, but to flourish.
    Be well and God bless

  8. “We are full up on CPA’s and attorneys”

    Hey… I’m a CPA. But then again we finally just moved in to our own 20 acres. We are in the process of putting in our fruit and nut trees. And will then move on to berry bushes and gardens. Plus of course do have a decent amount of stored food (but not as much as I would like, lol)

  9. It’s hard to be a “grey man” when you’re a prepper. Your lifestyle is noticeable. “Why do you grow your own vegetables?” “Why do you have so much stuff in your work backpack?” “Why do you always park your car “head-out?” I don’t know how many times I’ve heard “If anything happens, I’m comin’ to your place.” I’ve found this to be a “teaching opportunity.” I tell these people that I prepare for myself and my family; not for my family and everyone who shows up at my door, post-SHTF. Then I ask them; “What’s keeping YOU from putting up some extra food, water, and the like? What’s keeping YOU from learning how to grow this or do that? What’s keeping YOU from planning for the unexpected?” I leave it at that. At that point, I’ve told them, in a Christian way, “I’m not responsible for your family; YOU ARE!”

    SA, your plan is flawed. If you allow your group to bring people along, word of mouth will spread, and you’ll have every unprepared man, woman, and child in the county at your doorstep! It’s been said that three men can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead. Don’t be among the dead…

  10. Just a little added comment on sanitation….a very important subject. I suggest a composting toilet you can make for little of nothing and take it with you where ever you go. It’s featured in the Humanure handbook. If you just want the information and not the author’s views on environmental issues start on page 45. You can get a free pdf copy off the web @ https://Humanurehandbook.com/downloads/H2.pdf

    1. The only problem I have with composting toilets is that when people are on prescription drugs I believe it will show up in the compost too. Don’t use that compost as fertilizer in that case. There are already traces of pharmaceuticals in our water supply.

  11. I’ve been trying to come up with a time-based packing list priority. ie:

    you’ve got to go now = grab the go bag.
    15 minutes = go bag + this
    30 minutes = the above + this
    1 hr = the above + this
    2 hrs =
    3 hrs =
    etc.

    This list gives me some new things to think about. Thanks!

  12. An old office acquaintance some how got my unlisted address and decided to spend a day driving in the country side. We were not at home when he came but the gates, electric fences, video cameras and a pack of 7 huge dogs greeted him. He left a note saying “I take it you don’t like visitors.”

  13. I would agree that ONLY people specifically invited should be welcomed. Are you prepared to turn away people at the door? It kind of reminds me of the current situation along our southern border.

    Matthew 25 tells the parable of the ten virgins awaiting the bride groom. Five had prepared and had extra oil for their lamps. The other five were not prepared and ran out. The unprepared then wanted the five that had ‘prepped’ to share their oil. What implications can we draw from our Lord’s conclusion?

  14. Did I misunderstand the part that all of my food and tools and weapons when I show up will be confiscated for the benefit of the whole?

    That has been tried many times over the centuries and it never works.

  15. I have lots of everything on the list. Ive been moving to another location the last TWO MONTHS in free time after work and weekends. Still have a ways to go.. Id be hosed if all I had is two hours. I have three pickups and two 20 foot trailers, and cars. I still couldn’t move it all in one trip.

  16. Our bug out phrase is “Come quickly — so-and-so is in hospice.” This can be sent by text in the open, and should someone see it, they will not think twice if you leave in a hurry.

    We have lists of what to grab depending on how much time there is to evacuate — 10 minutes (think forest fire or chemical spill), 20 minutes, or an hour. I even have a list of what to take if I am at work when the call to evacuate comes in. The lists make sure you don’t forget something important, like that case of water you meant to bring.

    The first thing on the list is: Don’t Panic! Use toilet, catch breath, drink plenty of water, and dress in comfortable shoes and weather-appropriate clothing.

  17. I’ve been collecting kid’s clothes and boots in various sizes, because kids GROW. You can get great deals on stuff from the thrift store. My local thrift store had regular sales on holidays, so that was always a big event. Come away with a gigantic trash bag size bag of jeans, parkas, boots, gloves, hats, flannel shirts, for $20.

    I don’t have any small kids, but wouldn’t be surprised if some come under my care in a collapse situation.

  18. Another hundred bucks worth of red beans and white rice packed for long term storage is a good idea for extra bodies showing up. But after reading Lucifer’s Hammer, I see really bad people all competing to take everything, using deadly force. The Black Friday shopping syndrome.

  19. Great, well thought through list/letter. By the way, when necessary, you can drain your showers, sinks & laundry to a low lying outside area. That way your septic system will last longer – a big issue due to the increase in population to your homestead.

  20. This is a well written article, but I have one question. I am an operating room nurse that has spent my entire 43 year career in the trenches of the OR, trying to save people with gunshot wounds, knife stabbings, or just bleeding out. I grew up on a farm, preserve a lot of my own food. My weakest point in prepping is self defense. It is personally hard to think about shooting someone when you have spent so much time trying to save people. However I am getting there. I just retired in the last year and if I read this correctly I would not be welcome in your group because I am not currently working. That means you would take a nurse that does insurance, works in an office, has 2 years of OR experience that uses new technologies, instead of suturing people, over me or someone like me ? WOW!!!!

    1. Concur! 10 years Army medic (combat medic in Vietnam), 10 years LPN in med-surg, ortho, psych and ICU. 25 years RN (3 in ICU, 22 in ER) 45 years in the medical field and I know so much stuff but I wouldn’t be acceptable because I retired. Granted I can no longer carry an 80 pound rucksack or throw a 220 pound guy over my shoulder and carry him to the dust off bird. but I guess I’ve aged out and no longer have worth in the writers opinion.

      Fortunately I don’t need to be going to this guy’s place.

  21. I’m thinking that the guest list should be decided upon before the invitations are sent. If you have a pal that you’d like to bring, now is the time to ask SA, don’t wait until the alarm is sounded.

    From another retired nurse, 15 years ER/trauma experience…

  23. Two truckloads of supplies are nice, but supplies are perishable. They will be gone in a week, a month, a year. The value of knowledge and real-world skills endures.

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