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  1. Excellent and we’ll written article. The only point I might disagree with is the contention that since your wife is a RN you don’t have to ‘do’ medical. I would argue that everyone needs to be trained on at least advanced first aid, since your wife could be injured and unconscious and you might have to help her. Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

  2. Its true that you need more than one person in each group or family that needs to be proficient at any particular skill. But you’ve got a nurse brother! Nurses rock! Nice article.

  3. An observation I have made from experience in getting family and friends
    To prep. I have family with a big background in the medical disciplines, 2 nurses, 2 paramedics, 1 EMT, 1 dental assistant.
    But none of them had a medical kit or
    Supplies at home.
    When one of them became a qualified SWAT team paramedic he had to build a medical kit. I got him 2 tactical backpacks and we built them together.
    Then we put together a very large tote box of additional medical supplies for resupply and advance care.
    For Christmas I put together FAK’s for each family household based on those requirements and individual kits for all the large ALICE packs which I also gave as Christmas gifts. Now I have the medical preps I always wanted.
    The lesson learned is that folks that
    Work in a particular field don’t see needs outside of work. Also people only do what is important to them at the time.

  4. If your family really balks at the idea of preparedness, family camping could be a stealth substitute activity. Lots of survival skills can be learned under the guise of camping. Wilderness skills, map reading and compass, how to choose a safe campsite, different ways to build a fire and start it, quietness protocols and signaling, teamwork, safety, first aid, finding water, water purification. Yes indeed, camping could become a positive obsession for you! A lot of camping equipment mirrors survival equipment. You’ll probably need a couple of hunting rifles, too. Maybe you could even find a way to afford a small, remote hunting cabin as a summer camping base, where you could surreptitiously cache some long term food and medical supplies. Everybody wins.

  5. The most pertinent comment I feel was” Majority of Preparedness Individuals Are Not Specialists.” I have always felt that Robert Heinlein said it best:

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    Good article, reminding us that it’s trip that’s important.

    -Robert A. Heinlein

  6. Ok folks here is my long list of what we put into a large tactical pack as a immediate casualty medical kit. The pack is always available for emergencies away from our camp during normal outdoor activities. Remember each member has their own self help medical kit.
    1 large tactical pack
    2 1 gt canteens w/ cup
    4 carabiners
    50 ft 550 cord
    4 heat tabs ( fire starters )
    24 Benadryl liqui-gel tablets
    1 bottle Advil
    1 bottle Tylenol
    8 sets nitrile gloves
    1 micro shield, cpr barrier
    1 oral airway
    1 bottle absol
    1 tube oral jel
    4 4” ace wraps
    2 SAM splints
    2 cbt tourniquets
    3 military cravats
    4 tubes triple antibiotics
    1 roll medical tape 1” x 10 yds
    1 pkt burn gause
    2 pkts instant hot compress
    2 pkts instant cold compress
    2 pkts petroleum gauge 3”x 36”
    1 pr EMT scissors
    4 pkts 4” steri-strips
    2 6” self adherent wraps
    2 3” self adherent wraps
    1 military field surgical kit
    1 bag cotton balls
    4 heat tabs ( fire starter)
    1 water filter
    1 3 pack Vaseline jelly
    4 surgical masks
    1 stethoscope
    3 space blankets
    2 headlamps ( spare batts)
    1 BP kit
    1 bic lighter
    1 mil causality blanket
    40 4”x4” gause pads
    1 box (100) butterfly closures
    6 military FA dressings
    8 Israeli battle dressing
    2 packs moleskin
    4 small tubes of superglue
    8 iodine swabs
    1 tube glucose gel, oral
    2 chapsticks
    1 epipen auto injector
    30 bandaids (vari— sizes)
    2 rolls 2” Med tape
    1 8oz bottle hand sanitizer
    1 1” roll cloth tape 10 yds
    1 pr tweezers
    6 large safety pins
    1 pkt Dentemp
    2 8 oz bottles of betadine
    12 disposable scalpels
    4 lg leaf bags
    1 Emi led otoscope
    8 pkgs assorted suture thread w/ needles
    4 chest seal bandages
    1 set of 5pc forceps,hemostats
    1 medical stapler & removal kit
    1 set 6 hemostal pcs
    1 Olsen needle holder
    1 suture removal kit
    1 5 piece eye wash kit
    1 pulse oximeter
    4 3” roller gause
    4 6” roller gause
    2 500 ml sterile saline bottles
    1 glucose meter kit
    1 fingernail clipper
    1 water filter
    8 protein bars
    1 pr safety glasses
    1 small magnifying glass
    1 pencil w/ notebook
    3 pkts quickclot gause

    In the medical tote box is large quantities of backup supplies along with medical books such as, SF medical book, “when there is no doctor” and “when there is no dentists” . Also a complete set of dental tools. We also hold on to all medical eguipment that the family has acquired like foot splints, crutches, litters, wheel chair, bed pans, etc.
    In closing I hope this helps all of you and I am sure I forgot something we packed in the ruck but just ask a mediavac paramedic and a emergency room nurse.
    Various kits are excellent Christmas gifts.

  7. My circle is made up of average joes.. until you need a specialist in electrical work, or the medical field, or a mechanic, or someone to fly a plane..my Machinist friend who is married to a RN .. Average Joes without Skills to make it if SHTF ;-)..

    Other then that, Most of us Average joes hunt together, fish together, Climbed MT. Adams, and MT. Rainer when we were younger and did our fair share of backpacking in the Cascades.. I found most preparedness minded people have outdoor hobbies that they have incorporated into their lives.

  8. This was good. But I still maintain that TEOTWAWKI is not a time and place where all known systems break down and we’re back to the late 1800s. Rather, it will be the day — and subsequent months and years — when you have decided you do not want to be submitted to the global monitoring systems now being developed right under your nose, in your hand holding your smart phone. (And in your smart appliances that talk to and are governed by the smart grid. Or the biometric scanning you are and will increasingly be subjected to, all or purpose of “monitoring to manage,” as the United Nations says in its own sustainable development papers – available to read online.) Then, you will need to have quite a similar community to help you meet all of your basic needs. If you are an outspoken opponent of tracking technologies, where will you buy your clothing when all new clothes are made with threads that talk to the smart grid? Where will you get cash when your bank gets a new ATM and it requires you to use your fingerprint or face scan to receive money? What is your plan for healthcare when your doctor wants you to swallow pills that report to your doctor, via your smart phone? Will you buy a new car when it includes body sensors on the steering wheel? If not what will you drive? (This is the short list, BTW. There’s much more where those came from.)

    This is no tin foil hat paranoia — go read about Planetary Skin. Go learn about the plan for every citizen on the planet to be connected through 5g by 2030, which fits very nicely with Agenda 21/2030, now adopted by EVERY global corporation.

    Build your prepper community, but you if you are going to live outside the global surveillance grid that is well-underway, you might want to start now, and find like-minded folks. My cell phone (a dumb one) died a couple of weeks ago and I am not going to replace it. I’ve already stopped buying new clothing unless I cannot make it or get it used. I pull cash at pay day, and keep using it (so the stores I do patronize have a reason to keep taking it). My garden seeds are started. My doctor is awake, we have a plan to use a constitution-loving health care sharing ministry. I am not paranoid, I am not afraid. I choose freedom, and yes, if my efforts to stop the Anschluss fail, I will accept the sacrifice.

    1. Agreed, whenever someone makes light of my caution I tell them it’s not today’s technology I’m really concerned about. It’s the technology that is being developed and will be mainstream in 5 or 10 years. Just recall what technology was like 10 years ago and compare it to now. For whatever reason people assume technology is standing still as they post photos, voice, and other personally identifiable information online. It’s already too late to “go dark” on social media and a host of other services that anyone has already overshared with. Also, I work in Cyber Security.

  9. Sadly, not only is my spouse not in agreement with me, but she keeps saying how crazy and dangerous this thought process is. She is of the opinion that God will take care of you, and you don’t have to do anything. It doesn’t matter that I have shown her Scripture upon Scripture, and real world events of disasters, she is in denial. It has reached a serious crises point, and honestly, I don’t know if our marriage will survive much longer. Obviously there have been other issues, including to refuse any submission on just about anything I decide. Prayers would be seriously appreciated by all.

    1. Another Anon et al.,
      I will pray for you and your wife; that her heart softens and that you have the strength to be patient. Don’t quit! Love your spouse. Also, be compassionate when the moment comes and your spouse realizes that you were the reasonable one. None of this “I told you so stuff.” :]

    2. Anon, it sounds like time to prioritize your feelings. It’s enormously frustrating to not be on the same page with the world we live in and then to not have support of the one person you need to rely on every day but a successful marriage needs real sacrifice. Cliche i know, but bear with me. This is hard to say, but maybe the sacrifice will be your life and freedom, and pride. That’s the worst that can happen. On the other side of prepping and survival is just more life, more of this— if you’re lucky. There will always be difficult choices to make with your wife, especially after SHTF. On the other hand, maybe you catch a stray round before it kicks off, or happen to be in the epicenter of the disaster. We always want to be smarter, more prepared, but we can’t really be movie heroes. Wanting to save the day is kind of egotistical sometimes. Your wife, like all people, is preparing the best she can for the future she sees, and imagines a different set of critical issues. My suggestion is to offer your life as Jesus did, without regard to what is just. Please do this first, since life is probably pretty good right now, and if you are waiting for the EMP to have a healthy marriage, it won’t ever work. Find out her goals, fears, and vision of the future and do the work to support it. Project an attitude of a plentiful bounty. Be enthusiastic about her thoughts and ideas. If you create this environment, she WILL respond to your ideas because there won’t be the feeling of competing for the same resources and attention. Of course if you knew the exact date it hits the fan, you could ask for forgiveness after rather than ask for permission to do what’s necessary.

      Most preparedness is just responsibly making plans for the future. Having your life in order down to the most mundane detail is a great approach, even without all the cool survivalist toys. With enough cunning, you can sneak some toys in, from my experience 😉 Just don’t tell my wife.

      1. Thank you for the kinds words to Feminist and Cool. As a follow up, at my age and medical condition, I really don’t have grandiose ideas on saving the war, or even the day by heroic actions. My wife’s thoughts? Honestly, she lives for the day, and something “exciting.” Her idea of being prepared is filling up the pantry once every two weeks, then going to the local Wal-Mart when needed. She thinks the stores will always be open, and the shelves full. I have talked to her, in kind words and love, of real world examples of that not always happening, but she refuses to believe it will happen to her. I will continue to do the mundane things, and I told her I am not trying to save up 3 years of food and stuff, just looking for one month’s supply. I think that is a start. I must admit that, like many people in this area, I went overboard at the beginning. I didn’t have a real mentor, just books/articles to read and a couple of people to talk to. I did a lot of soul searching and praying, then realized it had taken my eyes of of Christ. She was right, and I told her so, many times. It is just she is of the opinion that nothing will ever happen to her because it never has before. Thank you again for the kinds words.

  10. It has happened to me that I received so much flack for trying to prepare just for little everyday things that it caused a lot of headache for me. Much division. What changed it for me was a time I wasn’t prepared and everyone turned and was mad at me for not being ready. Good grief I thought! Now I just do my preparing and don’t listen to them. Things go smoother when we don’t run out of things. I wonder if we also have to look at this as the enemy trying to hinder us too. Not every case would be and you must be loving. But let’s face it …there is such a thing as common sense.

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