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1. I have used Samaritan Ministries for 3+ years. During that time I have had one event. I slipped on the ice and crushed my elbow.

   Members are encouraged to ask for discounts, as cash paying patients. I asked for and received discounts from 25-50% on everything but the internal hardware (pins, plates and screws). It was very empowering. Because I was able to get such good discounts, I was not required to pay the $300 deductible.

   While it is true Samaritan does not cover pre-existing conditions, they give members the opportunity to share from $20-30 to someone who is getting treatment for their pre-existing. If each member were to help, they say the bill would be covered.

   I always send that little bit extra.

   Two other benefits:
   1. I got some very sweet notes of comfort from those helping pay my bills.

   2. If expenses/ claims are less for the month, Samaritan adjusts the monthly share downward. What insurance company does that?

   I am a very happy customer.

2. The Medi-share ads on radio now say that the plan is available in Montana.

3. My wife, 3 kids and I are in Florida and have had Liberty Healthshare for nearly 2 years now. We are extremely pleased with the program overall. Being self employed, Obamacare was costing 4 of us (one wasn’t even born yet) over $1,000 per month. It was nice to go down to $400 per month overnight.

   We have gotten into the habit of just telling healthcare providers we are self pay and paying immediately and then submitting the bills to Liberty for reimbursement. This isn’t something you have to do, but I have found it ultimately saves both Liberty and us money. For example, our primary doctor would bill insurance for around $250 for a sick visit. If we self pay, the charge is $74-$95.

   We feel grateful there are good viable options to Obamacare. Also I can attest that at least in our case, they do pay medical bills. Last year our baby was born and the total charges from the hospital exceeded $15,000. Liberty has paid everything.

4. One of the most under reported facts on Obummercare is the way to avoid the penalty. If you don’t want or need the overpriced crappy insurance, but don’t want to pay the penalty, make sure your withholdings are low enough that you don’t get a refund! There is no mechanism in the law to collect the penalty other than to confiscate your refund.

   1. Exactly what I’ve done the past 2 years. The IRS says I owe them thousands, but it’s unenforceable.

5. Sure wish you had expanded this article to how it works. Even if you had only used your own plan as an example.

   1. I can only speak for Samaritan’s, but their website carefully explains how it works. Also their customer service department is very good. After my injury, I actually got to talk to a real person!

6. Medi-Share is now available (once again) in Montana. Years ago, we were on it. It was great. Very affordable. There is no excuse for what has taken place with health care in D.C. Government needs to get out of it entirely, then watch costs drop like a rock.

7. Why have a separate Catholic health sharing ministry? Would it not make more sense to have a Christian health sharing ministry option. Being more members could also give more advantages. I am not analyzing the details. Could that work?

8. Get a part time job at Starbucks if it’s a possibility for you or a spouse. If you average just 20 hours a week each 6 month period you are eligible for full health insurance benefits. The choices in plans are incredible compared to any other full time job I have had. I figure they are basically giving me $1500 a month toward my family plan which would cost me 2k a month on the open market. There are some other great benefits as well. It’s a pretty good deal if you can hack it. I have my own business on the side and they are flexible with my scheduling. We don’t go to church so medishare is not available to non church members as far as I know.

   1. “Giving” you $1500/month? I think not. I think that what you are getting (not enough details) is an O’BozoCare TAX SUBSIDY, paid by Teh Gooberment, from the money picked from our pockets by tax (and other) laws and enforced by Armed Force of Government.

9. Sorry, these plans seem no different than what regular health insurance costs would be with deductibles, etc. They are just marketed differently. With Medi-Share you have to meet an Annual Household Portion before your bills are posted for what appears to be reimbursement, as you seem to be required to pay your bills upfront in cash. Paying in cash gets you discounts which all medical services usually provide, so I am not seeing any real savings, just a re-arrangement of how the bills are paid. The more you pay in Annual Household Portion drops your monthly rate which is no different than the higher deductible you have the lower your payments are with regular insurance. All insurance is a scam, until you need it for a serious illness/injury. Just like all lawyers are worthless until you need one to get you out of a legal bind. I’ll stay with regular insurance for now.

   1. My cost is $200 less a month than what I was quoted in the Marketplace.

      With Samaritan you do not need to meet an Annual Household portion.

      This is not insurance. It is a health sharing network. There is no big company getting rich off my premiums.

      I do not have to pay the $300 deductible if I negotiate my bills for that much or better.

      The pool of ‘share-er’s’ is, in the case of Samaritan, a group of people who agree to be faithful to their spouse, not drink alcohol (or very little), and attend church regularly. I am not sure if that is the case for the other groups.

      After my health event, they did not raise my rates.

      1. Thanks for your response as the web sites do not seem full of information on exactly what they do and how they do it. I have looked at Medi-Share and am looking at Samaritan now. Samaritan does appear to be less expensive from what I can tell. My main concern is major illnesses and how they would be covered. I got both pneumonia and the flu at the same time early in the year. Was in intensive care for 2 weeks, with 9 of those days on a respirator. Spent about 10 more days in the hospital rehabbing after intensive care. Bills were $220,000 of which I only had to pay $500.00 in co-pays, everything else paid for by my health insurance. If any of these other plans mentioned has a record like that, I would be interested in knowing more.

   2. Okay, you seemed to have missed the point, if you work and have access to medical insurance through your employer then that is great, continue on. These plans are for those who are self employed or for any number of reasons, maybe their employer doesn’t provide insurance then this does give an opportunity to have catastrophic coverage and in some cases a portion of doctors visits.

10. The bottom line is the fact millions of Americans have some sort of pre-existing condition thus are not eligible for these faith based programs.

    The only option is to “play the government game” and get the best insurance for your situation.
    I pay over $1200 per month with a $1000 deductible but that is prorated over the fiscal year.
    But my coverage &
    care is excellent. And I have a pre-existing condition.

    And when I turn 65, my health expense will drop by 70%.

11. SHTF came to India. 30 babies died because hospital couldn’t pay oxygen bill

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/k-selection-can-look-awful-indian-baby-deaths/

12. Beware Christian Healthcare Ministries. They will not pay your bills if you cancel coverage before payout. They have one obscure half sentence they base that right on. I was unable to continue their high monthly cost and cancelled. I was left with a $1600 bill. They take up to 90 days to pay and if your providrr takes anytime at all to bill you, you can end up having to continue coverage for many months beyond the date of service. Which of course is to CHM’s advantage because they continue to bring in funds.

13. Or people can just ditch the chemical poison pharmaceutical atrocity they call medicine in favor of naturopathic and holistic (real) medicine which heals and cures instead of treating symptoms and is much cheaper as most times you don’t even have to see a doctor. No such thing as preexisting conditions either.

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