Letter Re: Net Producer-Net Consumer Equations for Self-Sufficiency: Getting Out of the Pit

James,
Adding to the understanding of yesterday’s fine article “Net Producer-Net Consumer Equations for Self-Sufficiency: Getting Out of the Pit”, there is some serious historical data that your readers should be aware of. The Ludwig von Mises Institute has posted a book called “When Money Dies” on the experiences of the hyperinflation of the Weimar [Republic of Germany], which reads like headlines out of today’s newspapers. Remembering that history never repeats, it always rhymes, many of the underlying themes — the differences between country and city — will likely be similar. Because governments also have access to the same historical information, they will try to find new ways to distort the economy to the detriment of their citizens. An excerpt:

“Only the country people were surviving in Germany in any comfort: anyone who lived off the land had the readiest access to real values. It was not surprising that even when they ensured that the money receipts for their goods were no more than equivalent in purchasing power to what they were used to, they were accused of extortion — the more so if they delayed the sales of produce in the full knowledge that prices would be higher the longer they waited. Erna von Pustau went to stay in the country and asked her hosts bluntly what they were doing with all the money they were squeezing out of the townspeople. They replied candidly that they were paying off their mortgages. The principle of Mark gleich Mark (Note: this was German government propaganda to try to convince citizens that Paper Equaled Gold — a complete fantasy as the printing presses ran non-stop) had helped agriculture enormously: for the country people, landowners, farmers or peasants, life had started again. At the end of August 1922 when the mark passed 2,000 to the dollar — 9,000 to the pound — a mortgage of seven or eight years’ standing had been 399/400ths paid off. When Frau von Pustau returned home the talk in the family was about prices going up, about the credits which had to be reduced, about the middle-class party, about big business and the workers who always asked for more … The contrast between country and city was so enormous that it cannot be understood by people who have not lived through it.”

The cities will definitely become very, very uncomfortable and insecure places to exist. Best Regards, – CK



Influenza Pandemic Update:

Argentine Businesses Hit By Swine Flu

Swine Flu Vaccine Likely to Be Ready in Mid-October

Swine Flu on Main US Afghan Base

Canada: Tamiflu Resistance In Saskatchewan

Jonesy sent us these last two flu items:

Tamiflu Resistance in San Francisco
“The case suggests swine flu – a form of influenza Type A, subtype H1N1 – is capable of not only developing drug resistance but also spreading between humans in that resistant form, said Dr. Arthur Reingold, professor at UC Berkeley School of Public Health.”

“[The] patients in Japan and in Denmark were taking Tamiflu prophylactically [as a preventive measure], said Dr Keiji Fukuda, assistant director-general of the WHO… But the San Francisco teenager was not, which gives her case added significance, Reingold said, because it suggests she caught the resistant variant from somebody else.”

And directly from WHO: Tamiflu Resistance in Hong Kong, Japan, and Denmark

“These viruses were found in three patients who did not have severe disease and all have recovered. Investigations have not found the resistant virus in the close contacts of these three people. The viruses, while resistant to oseltamivir, remain sensitive to zanamivir.”

“All other viruses have been shown sensitive to both oseltamivir and zanamivir.”

“Therefore, based on current information, these instances of drug resistance appear to represent sporadic cases of resistance. At this time, there is no evidence to indicate the development of widespread antiviral resistance among pandemic H1N1 viruses.”



Economics and Investing:

GG flagged this Forbes article: Nouriel Roubini: “Brown Manure, Not Green Shoots”

Several items from Reader DD:

Buffet’s wants another stimulus

GM on the road again

Another retailer bites the dust


Oil speculators under pressure

Hawaiian K. sent word of a grim statistic: Freight Transportation Services Index (TSI) Fell 0.6 Percent in May from April

Items from The Economatrix:

US Apartment Vacancies at Historic High

565,000 New Jobless Claims
“Lowest new claims since January” However, “Continuing claims, meanwhile, unexpectedly jumped to a record-high.”

Retailers Report Weak June Sales

Goldman Sachs Loses Its Grip on its Doomsday Machine

Nation’s Banks to Stop Accepting California IOUs After Friday

Mortgage Fraud Report: Burn After Modifying

Double-Digit Doom (The Mogambo Guru)

A New Bull Market In Silver Bullion Argues Case for Higher Prices


Watchdog: Stimulus Spending Short-sighted
“Federal government is pushing out stimulus faster than expected. But states are using it to plug immediate gaps, rather than undertake long-term reforms.”



Odds ‘n Sods:

Is “Sea-burn” a topic of interest to you? Richard H. mentioned that Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Defense Information Analysis Center (CBRNIAC) has a newsletter that is available for free distribution.

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Reader Sandra E. suggested: ” You can buy 500+ coffee filters for as little as $1, and a box of 500 takes up little space and is lightweight. They can be used for toilet paper, paper towels, filtering things other than coffee. Also, if you’re growing in flower pots or buckets with drain holes, put 1 or 2 filters in bottom of pot,and this allows water to drain but keeps soil in pot. Coffee filters also make good ‘flimsy’ paper plates for sandwiches, snacks, and popcorn.

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Brian W. pointed me to this Peak Oil Blues blog post: A Few First Steps for Prep!

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Wayne sent me a bookmark for a site offering videos on canning, gardening, herbs, bread making, et cetera.



Jim’s Quote of the Day:

"History is not merely what happened; it is what happened in the context of what might have happened. Therefore it must incorporate, as a necessary element, the alternatives, the might-have-beens." – Professor Hugh Trevor-Roper, Regis Professor of Modern History; Oxford University, valedictory address 20 May 1980; quoted in History Today, Vol. 2, Issue 7, July 1982, p. 88



Note from JWR:

Please refrain from trying to have me join you Twitter, Facebook, or any of the other social networks. Getting more than 150 e-mails per day is overwhelming, but an extra 20 to 30 e-mails proclaiming that “John Smith is following you on Twitter” is distracting to to point of annoyance. I don’t respond to any of these requests. I simply don’t have twime to tweet. Thwanks!



Survey Results: Your Favorite Books on Preparedness, Self-Sufficiency, and Practical Skills

In descending order of frequency, the 78 readers that responded to my latest survey recommended the following non-fiction books on preparedness, self-sufficiency, and practical skills:

The Encyclopedia of Country Living by Carla Emery (Far and away the most often-mentioned book. This book is an absolute “must” for every well-prepared family!)

The Foxfire Book series (in 11 volumes, but IMHO, the first five are the best)

Holy Bible

Where There Is No Dentist by Murray Dickson

Rawles on Retreats and Relocation”

Making the Best of Basics: Family Preparedness Handbook by James Talmage Stevens

The “Rawles Gets You Ready” preparedness course

Crisis Preparedness Handbook: A Comprehensive Guide to Home Storage and Physical Survival by Jack A. Spigarelli

Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food in Hard Times by Steve Solomon

Tappan on Survival by Mel Tappan

Boston’s Gun Bible by Boston T. Party

Seed to Seed: Seed Saving and Growing Techniques for Vegetable Gardeners by Suzanne Ashworth

Survival Guns by Mel Tappan

Boy Scouts Handbook: The First Edition, 1911 (Most readers recommend getting pre-1970 editions.)

All New Square Foot Gardening by Mel Bartholomew

When Technology Fails: A Manual for Self-Reliance, Sustainability, and Surviving the Long Emergency by Matthew Stein 

Back to Basics: A Complete Guide to Traditional Skills, Third Edition by Abigail R. Gehring

Preparedness Now!: An Emergency Survival Guide (Expanded and Revised Edition) by Aton Edwards

Putting Food By by Janet Greene

First Aid (American Red Cross Handbook) Responding To Emergencies

Making the Best of Basics: Family Preparedness Handbook by James Talmage Stevens

Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson H. Kearney (Available for free download.)

Cookin’ with Home Storage by Vicki Tate

SAS Survival Handbookby John “Lofty” Wiseman

Root Cellaring: Natural Cold Storage of Fruits & Vegetables by Mike Bubel

Outdoor Survival Skills by Larry Dean Olsen

Stocking Up: The Third Edition of America’s Classic Preserving Guide by Carol Hupping

The American Boy’s Handybook of Camp Lore and Woodcraft

Emergency Food Storage & Survival Handbook by Peggy Layton

98.6 Degrees: The Art of Keeping Your Ass Alive by Cody Lundin

Seed to Seed: Seed Saving and Growing Techniques for Vegetable Gardeners by Suzanne Ashworth

Emergency: This Book Will Save Your Life by Neil Strauss

Five Acres and Independence: A Handbook for Small Farm Management by Maurice G. Kains

Essential Bushcraft by Ray Mears

The Survivor book series by Kurt Saxon. Many are out of print in hard copy, but they are all available on DVD. Here, I must issue a caveat lector (“reader beware”): Mr. Saxon has some very controversial views that I do not agree with. Among other things he is a eugenicist.

How to Stay Alive in the Woods by Bradford Angier

The New Organic Grower by Eliot Coleman

Tom Brown Jr.’s series of books, especially:

Tom Brown’s Field Guide to Wilderness Survival

Tom Brown’s Field Guide to Nature Observation and Tracking

Tom Brown’s Guide to Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants (Field Guide)  

Total Resistance by H. von Dach

Ditch Medicine: Advanced Field Procedures For Emergencies by Hugh Coffee

Living Well on Practically Nothing by Ed Romney

The Secure Home by Joel Skousen

Outdoor Survival Skills by Larry Dean Olsen

When All Hell Breaks Loose: Stuff You Need To Survive When Disaster Strikesby Cody Lundin

The Last Hundred Yards: The NCO’s Contribution to Warfareby John Poole.

Camping & Wilderness Survival: The Ultimate Outdoors Book by Paul Tawrell

Engineer Field Data (US Army FM 5-34) —Available online free of charge, with registration, but I recommend getting a hard copy. preferably with the heavy-duty plastic binding.

Great Livin’ in Grubby Times by Don Paul

Just in Case by Kathy Harrison

Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson H. Kearney (Available for free download.)

How to Survive Anything, Anywhere: A Handbook of Survival Skills for Every Scenario and Environment by Chris McNab

Storey’s Basic Country Skills: A Practical Guide to Self-Reliance by John & Martha Storey

Adventure Medical Kits A Comprehensive Guide to Wilderness & Travel Medicineby Eric A. Weiss, M.D.

Rodale’s Ultimate Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening: The Indispensable Green Resource for Every Gardener  

Special Operations Forces Medical Handbook (superceded the very out-of-date ST 31-91B)

Wilderness Medicine, 5th Edition by Paul S. Auerbach

Four-Season Harvest: Organic Vegetables from Your Home Garden All Year Longby Elliot Coleman

Back to Basics: A Complete Guide to Traditional Skills, Third Edition by Abigail R. Gehring

Government By Emergency by Dr. Gary North

The Weed Cookbook: Naturally Nutritious – Yours Free for the Taking! by Adrienne Crowhurst

The Modern Survival Retreat by Ragnar Benson

Last of the Mountain Men by Harold Peterson

Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills: Naked into the Wilderness by John McPherson

LDS Preparedness Manual, edited by Christopher M. Parrett

The Long Emergency: Surviving the End of Oil, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century by James H. Kunstler

Principles of Personal Defense – Revised Edition by Jeff Cooper.

Survival Poaching by Ragnar Benson

The Winter Harvest Handbook: Year Round Vegetable Production Using Deep Organic Techniques and Unheated Greenhouses by Eliot Coleman



The Case for Accumulating and (Eventually) Using Silver Coins

I recently did a study of prices (food and gasoline) comparing the costs in the early 1960s with 2009 prices for the same items.  I chose the early 1960s because that was the last time 90% silver coins were in circulation.  It was common back then for people to go into a grocery store or gas station and pay for purchases with a few quarters or dimes.  The prices were that cheap back then.

For my 2009 food prices I looked at the prices in my local Safeway store in Portland, Oregon.  I was careful to only look at the regular prices, not the “sale” prices.  The problem one typically runs into when making price comparisons is that many of the food items have been reformulated or repackaged into different-sized containers.  There is a also a much larger variety of items available today.  To circumvent these problems I focused on items that I can remember seeing back in the 1960s.  (I’m giving away my age here.)  They were mostly name brand items that many people avoid today precisely because they are so expensive.

Government-paid economists often fudge the numbers by making excuses that the products under study have changed or that people will choose to substitute less expensive goods for the ones they formerly bought when the prices go up.  That’s clearly cheating!

I stuck with the name brand items so that the comparisons would be fair and honest.  I made sure that I studied only foods and brands that were commonly available both in the early 1960s and today.  Most meat, produce, and dairy products easily fit the criteria.  So does regular gasoline.  This way we have an accurate picture of how much food or gasoline a silver quarter or dime would buy then, and now.

For the purpose of this discussion I will limit the list to just the following 20 common items:

Year of Ad

Item

Cost Then

   

Unit

   

Oz. Silver Then

 

 

Cost Now

   

Oz. Silver Now

   

Qty./Oz. of Silver.

1963

Sliced bacon (Oscar Meyer)

$0.29

   

lb.

   

0.21

 

 

$5.29

   

0.40

   

2.5

1963

Mazola oil (24 oz.)

$0.69

   

bottle

   

0.50

 

 

$4.95

   

0.38

   

2.6

1960

Land O’ Lakes butter

$0.67

   

lb.

   

0.48

 

 

$4.99

   

0.38

   

2.6

1960

Beef, sirloin steak

$0.89

   

lb.

   

0.64

 

 

$4.99

   

0.38

   

2.6

1963

Kielbasa (Polish sausage)

$0.59

   

lb.

   

0.43

 

 

$4.49

   

0.34

   

2.9

1961

Cheerios cereal

$0.25

   

pkg.

   

0.18

 

 

$3.99

   

0.31

   

3.3

1963

Beef, chuck roast

$0.49

   

lb.

   

0.35

 

 

$3.99

   

0.31

   

3.3

1960

Pork chops (thin sliced)

$0.59

   

lb.

   

0.43

 

 

$3.29

   

0.25

   

4.0

1960

Flour (Gold Medal)

$0.49

   

5-lb. bag

   

0.35

 

 

$3.09

   

0.24

   

4.2

1963

Ham

$0.39

   

lb.

   

0.28

 

 

$2.29

   

0.18

   

5.7

1960

Del Monte peaches

$0.29

   

can

   

0.21

 

 

$2.15

   

0.16

   

6.1

1963

Potatoes (russet)

$0.39

   

10-lb. bag

   

0.28

 

 

$1.79

   

0.14

   

7.3

1963

Eggs, large

$0.45

   

dozen

   

0.33

 

 

$1.79

   

0.14

   

7.3

1963

Beef, ground

$0.45

   

lb.

   

0.33

 

 

$1.77

   

0.14

   

7.4

1960

Regular gasoline

$0.29

   

gallon

   

0.21

 

 

$2.69

   

0.20

   

4.8 gal.

1963

Onions

$0.15

   

lb.

   

0.10

 

 

$1.49

   

0.11

   

8.8

1963

Chicken (whole fryer)

$0.29

   

lb.

   

0.21

 

 

$1.29

   

0.10

   

10.1

1963

Green (bell) peppers

$0.05

   

each

   

0.04

 

 

$0.99

   

0.08

   

13.2

1963

Apples

$0.16

   

lb.

   

0.12

 

 

$0.98

   

0.07

   

13.3

1960

Bananas

$0.10

   

lb.

   

0.07

 

 

$0.59

   

0.05

   

22.2

Notice that I have priced the items both in dollars and in ounces of silver.  The prices (in dollars) are deceptive because, on average, prices for these 20 items have increased eightfold since the early 1960s!  The prices in silver tell the truth.  In most cases the prices (in silver) are somewhat comparable.  Many items even look “cheap” now, in silver terms.  That implies that the price of silver is too low.  But, that’s the topic of a different discussion.

Two columns show the prices in silver terms.  The column all the way to the right shows how many of each item may be purchased today with a single ounce of silver.  This is a useful table because, if the paper money completely fails, one can rely on the table to price foods and gasoline in silver.  One ounce of silver buys four pounds of pork chops, for example.  The same ounce of silver buys close to five gallons of gasoline or 22 pounds of bananas!

It’s easy to see that as little as 20 ounces of silver could take a family of four 1,500 miles over the highway while feeding them all along the way.  If the dollar goes all the way bad you are to find a store that’s open along the way you might be able to convince the manager to accept some pre-1965 90% silver coins because he would recognize them for what they are (real American money.)  The pricing is all you would have to haggle over.

Many people love the old (pre-1936) silver dollars.  It would probably not be difficult to convince a store manager to let you have a couple of pounds of ground beef, a loaf of bread, a bag of potatoes, and a box of Cheerios for one silver dollar!





Economics and Investing:

New climate strategy: track the world’s wealthiest. This is the sort of fallacious logic that foments envy, and inevitably class warfare. Yes, Americans do use a disproportionately large portion of the world’s natural resources. But we also create correspondingly more with those resources. The gross domestic product (GDP) of the US is tremendous. Here is an illustration. (California, just by itself is the sixth largest economy in the world.) Consider this: Why does Kenya Airlines have Boeing 747s in their fleet? Because someone in America builds them. Could those planes be made in Kenya? No, because they have neither the expertise nor the manufacturing infrastructure. Is this situation somehow “exploitive”? No! As my old friend “Jeff Trasel” says: “Please don’t tell me that I somehow magically ‘owe the world’ more because my ‘carbon footprint’ is larger. Well, so is my productivity!” I agree with Jeff. Carbon footprint calculations and swaps of carbon credits are nothing but voodoo economics and socialist scheming.

Credit delinquencies hit record high. (Thanks to GG for the link.)

Items from The Economatrix:

G8 Still Sees Economy in Peril

True Unemployment Rate Already at 20%

The MOAB continues to grow: Dem Senator: Second Stimulus Probably Needed

California’s Nightmare Will Kill “Obamanomics”

FDIC Insurance Fund: It Doesn’t Actually Exist

US Consumers Fall Behind On Loans at Record Pace

How Wrong Can You Get? (The Mogambo Guru)

Bartering catches the attention of the mainstream media: Make Purchases Without Cash

Abandon Ship
(The Mogambo Guru)

US Stocks Drop, Sending S&P 500 to Lowest Level Since April; Exxon Falls

Morgan Stanley Plans to Turn Downgraded Loan CDO into AAA Rated Securities
[JWR Adds: I think that they should dub this new unit their Silk Purse Transformation Division]

G-8 Spars Over Stimulus, Leave “Exit Strategies” Open

Yuan Deposes Dollar on China’s Border in Sign of Future for Global Trade

Dems Split on Stimulus as Job Losses Mount, Deficit Soars



Odds ‘n Sods:

H.H. and Hawaiian K. both mentioned this piece over at the Backwoods Home site, by Claire Wolfe: Preparing for Civil Unrest

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Randy K. sent us this history lesson: How the potato got hot; The foodstuff was once viewed as unnatural and dangerous. Its rise to a global staple may tell us something about today’s genetically modified crops.

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Richard S sent us a link to an amazing story: Do or die; A fellow soldier was impaled by a live RPG. For medics and a helicopter crew, there was only one choice

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From Cheryl: North Korea Believed Behind US And South Korea Cyber Attacks



Jim’s Quote of the Day:

“Keep your revolver near you night and day, and never relax your precautions.” – Advice of Sherlock Holmes to his close friend Dr. Watson, circa 1889, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, in The Hound of the Baskervilles



Note from JWR:

Several readers have asked why I chose the Battle of Bennington Flag as the low key “OPSEC” identifier for SurvivalBlog readers. This was merely because that flag pattern is uncommon enough to stand out, yet it is nothing too controversial. (Versus, for example, a “Don’t Tread On Me” rattlesnake flag!) The Bennington flag does not have any particular historic significance vis-a-vis preparedness. But the flag looks cool, and after all, at Bennington, part of Burgoyne’s army got trounced.

By popular demand, I’ve just added Bennington Flag window/bumper stickers to my CafePress Stores. (They are also available by the 10 pack or 50 pack, at near my cost.)



Net Producer-Net Consumer Equations for Self-Sufficiency: Getting Out of the Pit

In a recent phone conversation with one of my consulting clients, I was asked why I placed such a large emphasis on living in the country, at a relatively self-sufficient retreat. I’ve already discussed at length the security advantages of isolation from major population centers in the blog, but I realized that I’ve never fully articulated the importance of self-sufficiency, at a fundamental level.

In a societal collapse, where you are in “You’re on Your Own” (YOYO) mode, it will be very important to be a net producer of water, food, and energy. This will mean the difference between being someone that is comfortable and well fed, and someone that is shivering, hungry, and thirsty, in the dark.

If you were to create computer models of a typical suburban home as compared to a small farm, they would probably present two very different pictures:

A typical suburban home is an energy pit. It generates hardly energy other than a bit of garden waste that could be used as compost, or fuel. A farm house on acreage, in contrast, can often be a net producer, especially if the farm includes a wood lot. (Standing timber that is suitable for use as firewood.) Properties with near-surface geothermal heat, coal seams, or natural gas wells are scarce, but not unheard of. I’ve helped several of my clients find such properties. For some further food for thought, see this article by Lester Brown over at The Oil Drum web site: The Oil Intensity of Food

A typical suburban home is a food pit. Just picture how many bags of groceries you tote home each week, month, and year. Compare than with the net volume of food produced by a small farm, or the meat produced by ranch. (For the latter, a ranch that is large enough to produce its own hay and grain is ideal.)

A typical suburban home is also a water pit, dependent on utility-piped water. But with a spring, or with well water and a photovoltaic or wind-powered pump, you can be a water exporter–charitably providing surplus water to your neighbors.

There are are of course some work-arounds for these limitations, such as installing photovoltaic power systems and rainwater catchments cisterns. But it is nearly impossible for a family to be a net producer of water, food, and energy, when living on just a small city lot.

Consider the inherent limitations of life on a “postage stamp” lot:

Limited acreage means that your house will always be a net importer of home heating fuel. Unless you live on acreage where you have a wood lot for firewood, you’ll end up on the wrong side of the production-consumption equation. Photovoltaics are practical for lighting and running some appliances, but the big energy loads like space heating, hot water, and kitchen range cooking exceed what PV panels can produce, unless you are a millionaire. Yes, there are substitute energy sources, but most of those–such as propane-but those-are also “imported.” Hmm… Perhaps it is worth the extra time and effort to find a retreat property that has a natural gas well, a coal seam or that is in a geothermal zone. At least buy a property with a wood lot, so you can heat your home and water with firewood.

Limited acreage and a location inside limits usually means restrictions on raising livestock. You might find a property that has been exempted or “grandfathered”, but without the room required to grow animal feed crops, you will still be a net importer. (You will be forced to buy hay and grain, rather than grow it yourself.)

In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to have a private water well in a neighborhood that is served by a public water utility. This usually has more to do with maintaining a monopoly, rather than any genuine worries about a public health issue. There are of course exceptions, such as older houses with wells, that pre-dated the advent of a water utility. In many jurisdictions, the owners of these wells benefit from grandfather clauses. If buying such a property, make sure that the grandfather clause exemption is transferable. (Otherwise, you will have to cap the water well.)

One of the great ironies of urbanized life in modern-day America is that there has been a great inversion. In 1909, it was dirt poor farmers that lived on acreage, while wealthy people lived on city lots. But now, in 2009, owning acreage is something that most people only dream of, for retirement. In the more populous coastal states, the price per acre of land that is within commuting distance of high-paying jobs has been driven up to astronomical prices.

Have you ever stopped to think why there are large Victorian-style houses falling into disrepair in some Inner City ghettos? This is because at one time, those neighborhoods are where rich people lived. They were nice, safe neighborhoods, and were conveniently close to work, shopping, and schools. But times (and neighborhoods) change. These days, most of the wealthy have long-since moved to suburbs or to the country.

If you decide that you must stay in the suburbs, then I recommend that you at least relocate to a stout masonry house that is on the largest lot that you can afford. When you search through real estate listings, some key phrases to watch for are “creek”, “grandfathered”, “mature fruit trees” (or “orchard”), “secluded”, and “well water.” Another key word to watch for is “adjoins”. It is advantageous to own a property that adjoins park land.

As I’ve often written, I recommend moving to a house on acreage in the country–that is if you can afford it, and your work and family situations allow it. But I’ll close with one admonition: Don’t bite off more than you can chew. There is no point on living on acreage if you have a large mortgage, and no working capital remaining to build up the infrastructure for genuine self-sufficiency. In fact, that would be “the worst of both worlds”, since you would have higher commuting costs, a bigger mortgage, and perhaps even a bigger annual tax bill. Owning non-productive land may be worse than owning no land at all.



Letter Re: How Do I Transfer Propane Between Tanks?

Sir,
You mentioned the liquid propane dual-fuel vehicle, and said “…if you have a large home LP tank”. So, how do I get the gas from the large tank, to the vehicle.” Is there a pump or some sort of device? Thanks, – Brad S.

JWR Replies: There is no need for a pump. Draining liquid propane from a tank, is a self-siphoning process. Talk to your propane delivery man. Tell him that you want to be able to refill your barbeque’s 20-pound tank from you main tank’s liquid withdrawal valve. The adapter fittings are made of brass, and fairly hard to find–but propane company employees know where they can mail order them. For a detailed description of what you’ll need, see this thread, at an RV Owners’ discussion page.